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• Gollum drowned Frodo's parents

  Mordomin > May 30th, 2012, 12:21 PM

  This is apparently a popular rumor on TheOneRing.net. Here is how it goes:
  [h=6]- Gollum was one of the Stoor, and they were the water hobbits.
  - Drogo and Primula, Frodo's mom and dad, died in a boating accident.
  - When Gollum chased after Bilbo to get the Ring back, he knew only two things about him: Shire and Baggins, which also applies to Drogo.
  - The books say that when he chased Bilbo, Gollum got to the river and turned back.
  - Witnesses to Drogo & Primula's accident say they saw a struggle.[/h]Now, I love a good conspiracy theory as well as the next person. In fact, maybe I like them too much, LOL! But this one is really a bunch of bull. So, let's deconstruct it, while hoping that none of this nonsense is going to be in the upcoming movie!
  
  I'll start with the most blatant offense: The books do NOT say that Gollum got to the river and turned back. They say that, on his way back from the Lonely Mountain, he got to a river and turned aside. This is clearly the Anduin, not the Brandywine. At the Anduin he went south, eventually to Mordor, making acquaintance with Shelob along the way.
  
  So, have at it!

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  Michael > June 2nd, 2012, 03:40 PM

  Whoever dreamed this up had to be very bored. I don't think it's worth refuting but I suppose if it catches on I'll have to write something and then it will never go away anyway.

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  Scottty > June 3rd, 2012, 04:01 AM

  Revenge against "Thief Baggins" was a secondary objective for Gollum. The primary one being, of course, recovering the "Precious".
  
  For him to go all the way to the Shire just to do a "hit" and then leave makes no sense. Let's not forget that he knew what Bilbo looked like, and could have easily jumped him from behind one day when Bilbo was strolling along a path in the Shire, not expecting to meet anyone more troublesome than Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.
  
  
  New theory: Sauron inadvertantly saved Bilbo's life by diverting Gollum to Mordor.

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  Mordomin > June 5th, 2012, 11:12 PM

  The point, Scotty, is that Gollum didn't just go to the Shire to perform a hit. He pursued the 'Precious'. Toward Bilbo, toward Erebor. And having missed them in Erebor, he pursued Bilbo on his return journey. But, with Gandalf riding shotgun, Gollum found no way to attack. So he bided his time.
  
  Enter another "bider of time", Aragorn, son of Arathorn.

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  Mordomin > June 6th, 2012, 12:13 AM

  The key part, and I admit I have represented it badly, is that Gollum pursued the Ring to Erebor, and back West again, but when he reached the River, he turned aside. Gandalf says that it was not the distance (to the Shire) that daunted him. Surely, how could it be, when he did not know it himself?

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  Elenmir > June 6th, 2012, 01:46 AM

  And the most obvious reason of all: Gollum would have no reason to link Frodo's parents with the "Precious".

• Gollum drowned Frodo's parents

  Mordomin > June 10th, 2012, 06:35 AM

  Well, there IS the name "Baggins" to link them. But even assuming that Gollum went to the Shire and somehow stumbled upon Drogo, and assuming that Gollum had never seen Bilbo in sufficient light to recognize the difference in appearance between Bilbo and Drogo, there is still the matter of the Ring. The Ring drew Gollum, and he would have known that Drogo did not have it.

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  Mordomin > June 11th, 2012, 12:48 PM

  @ Michael: For goodness sake, don't write anything that would give this theory credibility. Just join us mere mortals and have some fun picking it apart, one piece at a time.
  
  For my latest pick, I choose the phrase "water hobbits". :laugh:

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  Michael > June 11th, 2012, 04:36 PM

  If I fancied myself a writer as brilliant as Mark Twain I might consider giving it the James Fenimore Cooper treatment (that essay is, btw, one of the funniest literary critical essays ever written). However, I languish in the shadow of the greater wit.

• Gollum drowned Frodo's parents

  Mordomin > June 12th, 2012, 03:31 AM

  Oh, for goodness sakes Michael, get off of your high horse and have some fun! For example "water hobbits" could be a phonetical pun of "what are hobbits?" It is unlikely that the person who posted on TheOneRing had that much wit, but it is still funny to deconstruct it that way.

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  Michael > June 15th, 2012, 04:51 PM

  Sorry.
  
  I've been working pretty hard the last few weeks and fun moments have been somewhat few and far between. I guess I must seem absolutely dreary on some days.

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  Mordomin > June 18th, 2012, 09:03 AM

  No apology needed. We all get it.
  
  I like TheOneRing.net for its information about the progress of the movies, but the dumb questions that I keep getting on Facebook just keep on coming. The latest one was "Will Thorin drink beer in the movie?"
  
  Maybe he will. But he called for red wine at Bag End, in "The Unexpected Party". How hard was that to look up?

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  shadowfax > June 28th, 2012, 08:46 AM

  why would a river deter Gollum's progress?
  
  We know from a later Anduin episode that he was a good swimmer.

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  Mordomin > June 29th, 2012, 11:52 PM

  It was neither the river (Anduin), nor the distance, that turned Gollum aside. For some reason, he was drawn to Mordor.

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  Michael > July 1st, 2012, 04:30 PM

  I refuse to do the research on what alcoholic beverage a Dwarf prefers in Middle-earth.

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  Mordomin > July 4th, 2012, 02:34 PM

  Ok, I get it, I'll stop referring OneRing.net questions here.

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  Michael > July 6th, 2012, 06:15 AM

  No, no. I don't mind your sharing the questions. I just reserve the right to refuse to do some research.
  
  Actually, I am sometimes amused by the crazy questions people ask on sites like Yahoo! Answers.

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  badlands > August 21st, 2012, 11:43 PM

  Didn't Sauron torture and capture Gollum before Frodo's parents were killed?

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  Elenmir > September 1st, 2012, 12:21 AM

  badlands Wrote:Didn't Sauron torture and capture Gollum before Frodo's parents were killed?

  I'm pretty sure that he captured him first, then tortured him.
  Seriously, there is no evidence that Smeagol/Gollum crossed westward of the Anduin, so theories about Gollum meeting/killing Frodo's parents have no foundation.
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