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Tony Fever · #41 March 23rd, 2009, 05:59 PM

I think everyone is a bit confused on the whole raptor thing.

When there was a cease fire, all ships landed on Galactica (Vipers and Raptors). The remaining Raptor was Racetrack and Skulls who armed the missiles before they were struck ank killed by a rock.

So when Galactica jumped, all ships were aboard. When they realized they had found a planet and that Galactica was never going to jump again, the most likely sent a Raptor to the rendezvous to get the rest of the fleet. (Recalling Hoshi saying when the Raptor showed up at the rendezvous, it was a relief for him).

Does this makes sense? I ahrdly even questioned the return of the fleet as it seemed so obvious.

chatoyant · #42 March 23rd, 2009, 06:18 PM

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Because otherwise... how would the raptors have known hot to follow Galactica to the seemingly random coordinates Kara typed in?

Kara entered the coordinates from the song, but then they sent a ship to the rendezvous point and gave them those coordinates. That is the only logical explanation. It just wasn't shown because we are not supposed to overanalyze it!

chatoyant · #43 March 23rd, 2009, 06:20 PM

Great minds think alike, Tony!

tancred · #44 March 24th, 2009, 03:15 AM

This was a strange finale. I enjoyed it and was entertained, but I also think a lot of it didn't quite fit or work. Its hard to explain, but I'm a little dissatisfied. Not every character's resolution was done well, imo.

With all the recent "character" or "filler" episodes (take your pick on what kind of episode they were; I'm going with filler), there seemed to be a great desire for a good battle scene in the finale. A battle scene to end all battle scenes. I didn't get it. Sure, they showed a lot of cannons shooting at each other, ship to ship, but they didn't really show any good dogfighting between the Vipers and Raiders. That's what I was hoping for, and I didn't get it. Heck, remember a few episodes back during Gaeta and Zarek's mutiny when Hotdog and that other pilot were pursuing the Raptor Rosalin was on? Even though no shots were actually fired, that looked a lot better and was more intense than any Viper/Raider fighting we got in the finale.

Yes, there was some decent infantry fighting in both the Colony and Galactica. Many of you liked seeing the old Centurions. I did, too, to a point. But the cgi for those old Centurions looked terrible. I don't know what it is, because the new Centurions don't look bad at all. Just the old models.

Speaking of the Centurions, it seemed kind of odd to me that the allied ones would only get two brushstrokes of red paint across their front and back so their human allies could distinguish between friend and foe. We've seen Centurions smattered with blood before. I'd think they'd want to play it safe, and paint them all a solid color. No mistaking that way.

Like some of you have already commented, it seemed strange Cavil would just off himself. He wanted to obtain resurrection so badly. He greatly desired life or a better life or what have you. So he goes and ends it so quickly?

The Opera House payoff was poor. They built it up so much in the previous two seasons or so, and all we get was Baltar and Cap 6 taking Hera to the CIC, where Sharon and Rosalin show up shortly thereafter anyway. In the dreams, there always was this sense of urgency and danger. Not only did both Sharon and Rosalin fear that Hera was in danger in the hands of Baltar and Cap 6, but they also seemed to fear what might happen to Hera if the other got to her. The way it played out, Hera wasn't in danger from any of the people in the dream! Also, in the dream, the Final Five are seen glowing ominously and importantly above every one else. Again, the payoff is poor, because everyone in the CIC at that time already knew by then who the Final Five were. They've been in each other's company in front of several people already. Why no flash back to the glowing Final Five then? The exact vision doesn't fit to this showdown in the CIC anyway, because Sam is in his tub, and at a much lower level than his fellows.

Chief strangles Tory, and snaps her neck. I can only partially understand this. It would totally make sense if Chief had been madly in love with Callie. But in the recent episode where Chief finds out that the child he and Callie raised wasn't even is, he said that he had "settle" on Callie. That he truly loved Boomer. Despite the relationship's many flaws, I liked Chief and Callie together, and thought many of their moments together were quite sweet and romantic. To hear Chief speak so poorly of his wife seemed like a slap in the face to her, and took Chief down a notch in my book. So, upon finding out what Tory did, Chief goes medieval on her over a woman he had "settle" on?

Last comment about the battle. I don't know quite what it was, but I've grown a strong attachment to Racetrack as the series has gone on. In my mind, she's the absolute most beautiful actress on the show.

I hated to see her die. The editing at that part of the show was choppy. A rock/asteroid goes through the Raptor's windshield, and it almost immediately jumped to a different part of the story. I couldn't tell exactly what damage was done. I at first thought that only Skulls was hit. Then much later, they finally show the Raptor rotating helplessly, and Racetrack's hand slowly falling to the fire button that would launch the nukes. At first, I thought she was dying and with her last effort reached down to push the button. My brother had to point out she was already dead. I was so bummed. Poor Racetrack!

At least she went out fighting.

The character resolutions. Rosalin's was fine. No complaints there. Same with Helo, Sharon, and Hera (though part of me was kind of hoping Helo would meet a bad end. the guy is such a doofus! all this suffering could have been avoided if he had only let Lee go through with is biological warfare plan in season 3). As others have already said, it seemed very out of character and even kind of sad that Adama would just leave without a goodbye to his best friend, Tigh, and a pretty poor goodbye to his son, Lee. These are some of the most important people in his life, and they made it sound like they'd never see Adama again.

The Leobens, 6's, and 8's just kind of go off on their own. They've wanted so much to be accepted as full citizens lately, and yet they give it up and go away now? And Leoben makes no attempt for a last goodbye to Starbuck? He was so mesmerized by her for so long, and now nothing? Kind of going back a few episodes when he and Starbuck found her decaying body, and he just fled like she had the plague. He was so certain she had a special destiny that he also wanted to be a part of. What exactly did he think her destiny was anyway? (speaking of that dead Starbuck they found, how could it have been found on the nuked Earth when Starbuck had crashed/exploded in the nebula above the algae planet, seemingly so far away from nuked Earth?)

I kind of laughed when they just said they were going to send Sam in to the Sun with the fleet--its like, gee, thanks for giving Sam a choice in the matter! It can be assumed they consulted Starbuck, but still. Poor guy. I liked the character, and I hated it that he was relegated to thankless hybrid role. It was touching to see his and Starbuck's last goodbye with the single tear down his face.

Starbuck herself.... I'm not convinced at all that her resolution was a happy one. Before she died, she was estranged from Sam and pushing Lee away. She was clearly depressed, and even sounded like she wanted to die. When she came back, people doubted her, distrusted her, and some even wanted to avoid her. Sam was taken away from her with the gunshot, and then sent away to the Sun. Her father-figure, Adama, goes away. Seemingly, the only thread of happiness left to her would be Lee. Why wouldn't she go for it? Maybe she had no choice in the matter, and her angelic self was taken away. But staying with Lee seemed like her best bet. Imperfect though their relationship was, I would have liked to see them together.

Then Lee. He's in the same boat as Starbuck. His wife, Dualla, is separated from him, and then sort of uses him so she can go out on one happy note before committing suicide. His dad goes away. Again, it seems like his one hope for happiness is Starbuck, and she just flies away on him. Dude can't catch a break!

I very much liked Baltar's ending. When he realizes that what he learned on the farm from his father can be of some worth, it was just touching. He despised his father and his youth on the farm for so long, and tried to distance himself from it. Now he knows he needs it, and is happy and proud about that. Just great. He is redeemed.

Caprica 6 is another story. They make it seem like she is redeemed, but I just don't buy it. Same with the other Cylons who allied with the Colonials. While Baltar was duped by love in to giving Cap 6 the security codes and had no idea a holocaust would be taking place, Cap 6 knew full well what she was doing and what would happen. That's what always bugged me about the show after its first season or so. They tried to show the Cylons were just like us. I could never really accept this aspect of the show. Like Lee in the aforementioned biological warfare episode, they were machines. No way they could have feelings or be like humans. I just don't think its possible. That's also why the character of Sharon and her relationship with Helo was also hard for me to totally care for throughout the show. Humans are humans. Robots are robots. In season one when it was Us vs. Them and a story about surviving a holocaust and being pursued by a hateful, relentless foe, that was when the show was gold. When it tried to be, for lack of a better term, PC and kind of preachy "We're all the same," that's when it lost its way. Many on the net guessed long ago that at the end of the show, it would be shown that "we're all Cylons," they were pretty much right. Yes, the show ends by saying that Earth's current inhabitants are descendants of a Colonial, Cylon, and Earthling mix, but its pretty much the same. This was a disappointing aspect of the show to me.

The series was pretty dark and depressing. I was fully expecting many of the main characters to die in the finale. And yet, this seemingly epic battle, and the only real notable casualties are Boomer, Cavil, Doral, Simon, Racetrack, and Sam. I was actually quite surprised at how light and hopeful the finale was. I didn't expect it. Just because it was a happy ending for the most part, it doesn't mean that many of the character resolutions were actually good or fitting ones. I'm sorry to blather on, but I hope I've stated clearly enough why I have issues with how the story ended. All those issues, and yet I still really liked the finale!

One last thing. I really really hope some fan makes a sort of series summary set to "All Along the Watch Tower." Start with clips from the mini-series, and go all the way through the finale. And make three different versions: one using Dylan's original, another with Hendrix's version, and then one with the remix from the show. Heck, if some one is really bored, make a version with U2's rendition of the song. Or the Guns n' Roses one (I've never actually heard this one, but I've heard its completely terrible!).

Ok, I'll shut up now.

Later!

august · #45 March 24th, 2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Fever

I think everyone is a bit confused on the whole raptor thing......

So when Galactica jumped, all ships were aboard. When they realized they had found a planet and that Galactica was never going to jump again, the most likely sent a Raptor to the rendezvous to get the rest of the fleet.

LOL - no, only I was confused.

I just didn't realize all the raptors had returned. Although now that I think about it...there was a little bit of passage of time before the Five began doing the data relay thing, meaning that all the Cylons had time to go back to the Colony...and then go down in flames together.

august · #46 March 24th, 2009, 07:25 PM

BTW, E! Online reports that:

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Friday's Battlestar Galactica two-hour series finale scored an estimated 2.4 million viewers—the show's biggest audience in more than three years, Sci Fi Channel said today.

Compared to Battlestar's third-season finale 100 years ago—well, March 2007—its fourth and final finale was up a whopping 56 percent.

(or about the same as pro wrestling got in Sci-Fi in its first year. )

Afiriel · #47 March 24th, 2009, 07:51 PM

Thanks for even reading this.

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