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Topic: Re: Real historical baackground for LOTR    Reply to: msg 2606
Posted: March 05, 1999 at 08:48:05: by Martin Read
: : I have recently came upon some interesting information on the LOTR being based on a real history that the Celts DID write down covering many years of their existance. It is supposedly entitled Book of Red. Anyone with any info pro or con let me know.
: : Gosar

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: The most complete Celtic mythology to survive is that of Ireland. Even this has suffered a considerable distortion by being recorded by Christian monks who were understandably hostile to the belief system they were recording. The major books dealing with these subjects are the Ulster Cycle including The Tain (The Cattle-Raid of Cooley) and Mac DaTho's Pig.

: The Irish legendary history records the invasion of Ireland of successive peoples incluidng the Nemed, Partholon and Fir Bolg. It also records the people called Tuatha de Danaan (The Tribe of the Godess Dana) who have been interpreted as being in origin the pre-Christian gods of the Celts. These gods dwindled in later folk-tales to become the Sidhe of the Hollow Hills - an immortal fey folk who I think were instrumental in Tolkien's conception of the Elves. The legends record the mighty wars between the Tuatha and a monstrous race called the Fomoirans or Fhoi-Myore (Sp?) The leaders of the Fomoirans included Balor who had one eye whose gaze could kill (a parallel with Sauron?). Other instances could be drawn of similarities between the Irish legends and Tolkien's work though on the whole the connections are not particularly close - influence almost undoubtedly - a direct derivation certainly not.

A number of fantasy works have been more directly based on Irish mythology including Michael Moorcock's second Corum trilogy - The Bull and the Spear, The Oak and the Ram and The Sword and the Stallion, and Julian May's Many Coloured Land tetralogy.

If you have read either of these works you will recognise the names of many Irish (and other Celtic) gods:

Daghda
Lugh of the Long Hand
Nuada of the Silver Hand
Mannanan MacLir
Gofannon etc.



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