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Topic: Re: Eldarin Fecundity (was Re: In what ways did the Elves use their Rings?)    Reply to: msg 2962
Posted: April 09, 1999 at 04:19:53: by Michael Martinez
: : Actually, the Eldar had hordes of children in Middle-earth.
: : The descendants of Finwe are an extremely poor example of
: : Elvish fertility. The numbers of the Noldor were constantly
: : being increased according to Tolkien (in the interludes
: : between the devastations of war).

: That may be so, but we have no specific examples of it. (By the
: way, 'fecundity' is the word we should be using not
: 'fertility.' Fecundity refers to the actual number of children
: produced, wheres fertility merely refers to the ability to
: produce them).

We know that the numbers of the Eldar increased during Gil-galad's reign. I don't see what you want for "examples". Tolkien did not publish many population numbers, but Gil-galad's people definitely increased in number at the end of the Second Age.

: : Elrond and Celebrian had three children.

: Precisely my point. What I am basically suggesting is that the
: Keepers of the Three used their Rings (in the Third Age) in
: slightly different ways, thus acheiving ends that they
: themselves found desirable. Gandalf used Narya to "rekindle
: hearts to the valour of old in world that grows chill."
: Galadriel used Nenya to slow the fading in such a way as to
: make Lorien a sort of living echo of the Eldar Days. As Tolkien
: says: "In Rivendell there was a memory of ancient things; in
: Lorien the ancient things still lived on in the waking world
: ..." But Elrond, I suggest, used Vilya to not merely slow but
: actually to defy the fading, by perpetuating his line. And
: ensuring that the bloodline of the Elder Kings flowed on into
: the Age of Men.

Tolkien mentioned many powers of the Rings, but this was not one of them. There is no need for such a power, really.

: I guess, we could say, that Galadriel's use of Nenya was
: backward looking (to the Eldar days); Gandalf's use of Narya
: was present-oriented (to fight the war against Sauron); and
: Elrond's use of Vilya was forward looking (What are we Eldar
: going to leave behind when this whole Ring Business is over
: with?)

I don't see how you are arriving at these associations.


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