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Topic: Re: Dragon Helm     Reply to: msg 3240
Posted: May 12, 1999 at 07:43:51: by Neithan
: : But when Tolkien said that the story of The Helm ended- might
: : he not have meant that the story of Turin as The Dragonhelm
: : ended- in a metaphorical sense? that is what I have always
: : interpreted it to mean. That a chapter in the story of the life
: : of Turin was over (there seemed to be a lot of that in his
: : life).

: Christopher Tolkien wrote:

:


: It may be noted here that it was my father's intention to
: extend the history of the Dragon-helm of Dor-lomin into the
: period of Turin's sojourn in Nargothrond and even beyond;
: but this was never incorporated into the narratives. In the
: existing versions the Helm disappears with the end of Dor-
: Cuarthol, in the destruction of the outlaws' stronghold on
: Amon Rudh; but in some way it was to reappear in Turin's
: possession at Nargothrond. It could only have come there if
: it had been taken by the Orcs that carried Turin off to
: Angband; but its recovery from them at the time of Turin's
: rescue by Beleg and Gwindor would have required some
: development of the narrative at that point.
:

: Statements such as "it was to reappear in Turin's possession" and "it could only have come there if it had been taken" discount any possibility of a metaphorical reference. Christopher is speaking of the physical object that was the helm, and not the name that Turin was known by while Dor-Cuarthol lasted.

How? call me stubborn or rock-headed (I am), but how does it exclude eachother? Tolkien could very well be talking about Turin's identity as "The Dragonhelm" when he said it ended, but still intend to continue the story of Turin and it, it had just taken an inferior place to his identity- probably surpassed by Gurthang, the dread sword that was to dominate his life and help fulfill his agonizing destiny. I am slightly befuddled by champagne from a viking job so I do not know if I have properly stated my opinion but hope that it is so.
:) Neithan



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