White Council

Re: Ahem... (was Re: The Greater Purpose of Beren and Luthien) | White Council Forum Archive - msg 4402

White Council Forum Archive
Original Xenite.Org White Council Forum Archive

Site Map


All Archives Top White Council Archive Index Archive 22 Index


VISIT LIVE TOLKIEN FORUM
Topic: Re: Ahem... (was Re: The Greater Purpose of Beren and Luthien)    Reply to: msg 4401
Posted: August 20, 1999 at 01:11:16: by Neithan
: Beren and Luthien go almost all the way back to the beginning. "The Fall of Gondolin" was the first story Tolkien wrote in the world that eventually evolved to become Middle-earth. But the "Tale of Tinuviel" was one of the other early stories, and these two combined with the story of Hurin's family (in its various incarnations) were the foundation of the early mythology.

: In the story of Beren and Luthien, as well as the story of Aragorn and Arwen, however, you'll find one theme which is drawn straight from Tolkien's life: the forbidden love of a young man for an older woman.

: Edith Bratt was about three years older than Ronald (J.R.R. was called Ronald in his youth) and when he met her he fell deeply in love. But Father Francis, his guardian, didn't want Ronald to have anything to do with her.

: Edith had inherited a little land around Birmingham which provided for her income. But unlike Luthien and Arwen, she was illegitimate, and perhaps this was part of why Father Francis objected to her. He certainly felt strongly that the young man should be focusing on his studies, so I guess it was the story of Beren and Luthien somewhat reversed. I suspect the story of Ronald and Edith would actually make an interesting movie.

: Anyway, it's been long understood that Beren and Luthien are Tolkien and his wife, and the names "Beren" and "Luthien" are even inscribed on their tombstone. The stories are metaphorical, btw, and not allegorical.

I do think Cuivar alluded to their greater mening in the great scheme of Middle-Earth, not in the great tale of Ronald's life. Ie. how did he fit the story of himself and his love in the grand tale of Endor.
Apart from that, you are of course right- the tale of his own hopeless love and how it was not so hopeless must ahve been foremost in his head throughout his life. The thought of how fortunate he was (I am speaking from experience- a love where you have indeed been more fortunate than most and beaten the odds does dominate your thoughts ;-))
:-) Neithan Turambar
:-) Palle



Contact us | SF Fandom | Privacy Statement


SF Fandom Sites

SciFi Forums
Archives
Forum Short Addresses
Other SciFi Sites

Xenite.Org Network

Science Fiction & Fantasy
SF Fandom
SF Worlds
The Queen of Swords
Tolkien Studies

Popular Network Sites

Entertainment Search Engine
Grace Park
Harry Potter News
History of Xena
Lord of the Rings News
Mizuo Peck
Poster Store
SciFi Search Engine
Star Wars News
White Cheese Dip
Witch World Page
Xena: Warrior Princess
 

This page is copyright © 1997-2007 by Michael L. Martinez. All rights reserved.
No portions of this page may be reproduced electronically or otherwise without express permission from the copyright holder, except as occurs in normal browser caching and page indexing.

No random scifi pages were incorporated into this archive. However, the truth about Balrogs may have been mentioned at least once. Learn more about Balrog of Moria. Read more Tolkien Essays.

Created by SEO Specialist Michael Martinez. Search engine optimization and search engine optimization provided by SE cOnsulting.