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Topic: Re: Bilbo and The Ring    Reply to: msg 5459
Posted: September 30, 1999 at 05:48:26: by Kadri
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: : : : : : : : Bilbo also had a stronger will than Sam and Frodo and seemed to be able to withstand its influence for a longer period of time.

: : : : : Then again, the ability to resist the influence could have been tied to Sauron's strength. At the time of The Hobbit, Sauron was regaining his strength, and had not reach his full power.

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: : : : : : Bilbo never had his will tested to the degree that Frodo did, he was never tempted to use the Ring in such critical situations. We have no basis to judge how he'd have handled the stresses and temptations that Frodo (and Sam) faced.

: : : : : A critical situation depends on a person's point of view. I'm sure there were situations that Bilbo believed were indeed critical. That aside, I have long held the theory that knowledge of the ring's true nature played a great part in temptation and tests of will. Bilbo did not know the true nature of the ring at the time of The Hobbit, neither did Gandalf. At the time of Elrond's council in Rivendell, Gandalf knows the true nature. He refuses to bear the ring because he would be tempted. This brings up an interesting question. Would Boromir have tried to take the ring from Frodo, if he had not known the ring's true nature?

: : : : actually, Bilbo never stood the temptation. he used the ring constantly, even to avoid some merely unpleasent situations.

: : : But, on the other hand, he gives it up (to Frodo) without the amount of persuation one would expect from somebody that has had it so long and used it so often.

: : : Actually, I've always thought that about that. It seems that he gives it up too easily...

: : : Any thoughts?
: : actually yes. some:
: : a. Gandalf had to frighten him in order to make him give up on the ring. and when it's Bilbo's will vr. Ganalf's will, it isn't much of a contest
: : b. Most of the time he used it was in the shire, which is as far away from Mordor as you can get,without going to Valinor, both geographicly, and... in another way that i can't exactly define. It's probably harder to be currapted under the bright sun, then in the darkness.
: : c. he was "naive", both about the nature of the ring, and in spirit - Bilbo never wanted power and fame to himself.
Note also Gandalf's words to Frodo - about how Bilbo started his ownership of the Ring with a merciful deed - sparing Gollum. Gandalf also said somewhere that the Ring's ill effects would be postponed for a relatively longer time if the wearer would start out with good in mind.
: Bilbo wore the ring for about two weeks i believe while he was in mirkwood forest trying to free thorin & company...at that time Sauron was in Dol Guldor....that was as close as frodo had been near Sauron so dont you think that bilbo had to resist some sort of pull towards Sauron??? wouldnt he notice the change in weight?? Frodo didnt even wear the Ring that close to Sauron but Bilbo wore it for a long amount of time....




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