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Topic: Re: Nagual    Reply to: msg 5824
Posted: October 18, 1999 at 11:37:12: by shadowfax

: I asked before, but the question was buried in a barage of posts on magic. Pardon my American Ignorance, but what is this landmark called the White Horse?

I did read your question the first time you asked, and I did answer, but anyway, here it is again:

The White Horse is the outline of a huge running horse (over 100 yards from head to tail) cut into the side of a hill. It was made in
prehistoric times by removing the turf so exposing the white chalkstone below. The likeness to a real horse is striking. There are several
such horses in the Berkshire/Wiltshire area, and there are also similar works in other parts of the UK. The White Horse I am thinking of is
located on the Ridgeway (an ancient road, now in use as a nature trail) to the west of Didcot. Judging by the vast effort necessary to create
such works of art with the primitive implements of the time, the achievement is stupendous.

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: Traditionally the Nagual is your Animial Spirit Guide, and supposedly you have one main one, although that "one" thing is probably the tenant I'm most susupicious of. Often young men went on vision quests as a rite of puberty and a major part of this quest was to be spoken to by your Nagual. Not only is this animal spirit supposed to guide you (the way a Guardian Angel or Patron Saint might guide a Catholic) but you yourself possess the attributes of this animal. For example, think of the farsightedness of Eagle, or the strength of Bear, the cleverness of Fox, the swiftness of Deer, the instantaneous strike of Snake ...

So how do you find out who or what your Nagual is. Does it come to you in a personal revelation, or is one given to you by your elders.

: I seldom buy into anything hook line and sinker, but as usual, I think there is some truth behind this.

: Let me tell you about some weird experiences. Although I now study my Tai Chi directly under the chinese Grand Master, when I began six years ago, my first teacher was one of his students. My teacher was from Mexico, raised Catholic, but his whole family converted to Evangelical Christianity when he was in his twenties. It always astounds me the way people so easily combine elements of different religions -- it's so much more common than the conservative believer realizes. The amount of Mexican syncretism between Catholicism and Paganism is very, very high. Even after his conversion to a protestant sect, my teacher retained many of his Nativisitic influences, including belief in the Nagual.

: I had played around with the idea privately, but it wasn't until I met this man that I began to take it dead seriously. You see, you never tell anyone your Nagual because it gives them power over you. (Makes sense -- if you understand a person's core, you do in fact have information which can help you manipulate them.) He was absolutely floored one day when I looked at him and I said, "You know, some times I look at you and it's like I see something else. Tiger. You're a tiger. I don't mean than in a flirtatious sense, I mean that somehow that animal is what I see when I look at you, especially when you do your Tai Chi, or when you are sparring." I had correctly guessed. Months later, when I was training at the Kung Fu school, and he was working me out hard to the point of frustration, certain mannerisms surfaced, and he started chuckling, and walked up to me and whispered the name of an animal in my ear. He also guessed correctly.

: 10 years ago I might have told you what that animal was, but at this point I'm superstitious enough to keep it to myself.


Posibly this sort of thing may have existed in prehistoric Europe too, and heraldic animalry and mascots be some vague memory of it.

The survival of guardian angels and patron saints into Catholicism may have its roots in this tradition, but such trains of thought have never had any special meaning to me.



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