Posted: November 11, 1999 at 06:22:25: by MR
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: : : I'm not saying my intertpretations are based on anything more than inference. However, in the context of Tolkien's use of the word war, I cannot find any parallel use referring to a series of small skirmishes. Which is why the word struck me so forcibly in the text. The War of the Dwarves and Orcs, fought on the other side of the mountains, was a sizeable conflict. I am not claiming that the war in Eriador was as large-scale as that, but it seems to me that the Dunedain may have fielded forces numbering in the many hundreds (given their martial superiority over orcs this may have been sufficient to counter raids consisting of several thousand orcs). This would tend to counteract the impression given by Halbarad's force of 30 horsemen that Dunedain numbers were tiny. After all Halbarad's force was essentially only a token squad hastily collected , and mostly acting as an an escort for Aragorn's royal standard.: : Considering that the Dunedain of the North are from two kingdoms ( Cardolin and Arthedain, with a few fugitives of rhudaur) and we are led to believe that these were sizeable kingdoms, (the ruins of the two main cities of the North are still present on the map, suggesting sizeable settlements)it is unlikely that the Dunedain were a few people,as they are able to protect the whole of the wilderness as much as they do. The problem with this is that we are told by Butterbur that the rangers have all gone away, which is why Bree is in so much trouble. If this just applies to the 30 or so with Halbarad then the Dunedain are so few that with inbreeding they would have been wiped out, or at least have six fingers each. Therefore, the role of these missing Rangers has not been told ( I don't think so? Perhaps it has and I have missed it!) but it is reasonable to assume that there is several thousand at the least of the Dunedain were alive at the time. :
: I'm not disagreeing with y'all but if there were several hundreds or a couple of thousand dunedain, and only thirty went to Gondor with Aragorn, then what did the rest do during the course of the war of the ring? The Shire was left completely unprotected against the ravages of Saruman's hirelings. A couple of points on this question: The take-over of the Shire by Saruman was by stealth using native hobbit dupes, it may not have been evident to the Dunedain what was happening until very late in the day. Also their precepts of non-intervention in hobbit internal affairs may have prevented them from moving into the Shire in force once Saruman had established his regime. This inertia may have been made worse by the fact that the Dunedain's own leader was unavailable to make descisions. There is some reference to the fact that the passage of the Nazgul through Eriador stirred up the forces of evil in that area. Plus once battle in Rohan and Gondor had begun in earnest the Misty Mountain orcs were making their presence felt in the lands east of the mountains, so in all probability they might have been expected to have increased their depredations westward into Eriador also. The Dunedain may well have had their hands full fighting increased troll activity in the Trollshaws area, and countering raids by orcs and possibly evil Hill-men from the mountains. Quite probably they had no extra man-power to counter the unexpected threat to The Shire from Saruman to the south.
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