Posted: January 23, 2000 at 14:57:46: by Telchar
: Nice ideas : Turin "Master of doom by doom mastered" is my "favorite",and his story seems to me like an almost classic case of a Greek tragedy. Maglor (and so is Maedros, IMO) is definetly a tortured soul, but don't forget-he brought his doom on himself (you can say that also about Turin, but it's much clearer in Maedros's case). And the Orcs are a clear case of tortured people, which aren't people anymore, but as such, after the long ages, shouldn't they be treated more as a "force of nature", more as a flood, or fire, than as people? thier motives and feelings always seemed to me quite simple and obvious.: A couple of other Charchters/people I think are tragig are Fangorn for Ents, and Mim, for the Petty-Dwarves. Both had to see thier entire race fade into nothing and dies (the Elves, although they faded as well, always had someplace to go to, where they can last almost forever). : Fangorn in his old age, managed to survive thru wars and dark ages, and he has seen many realms, glourios and beautiful rise and fall (note his song), and now at the end of everything, he is the "lord" of a race doomed to die, reduced to a very small people, which still slowly fades away, in a very small land, with almost no hope of finding again thier wives they lost ages ago (try a few month without seeing a woman, and see how YOU feel), and reviving thier kind. And yet, he has enough strength for a last great deed, and that also (at least at the begginning) seems without hope. : Mim, like Fangorn is (on fo the) the last of his race, which perhaps wasn't too glourious and well-known, but had done some things in it's time, and now he needs to collect roots to survive. His home, the home which he inherited after countless generations, has been robbed of him, and by the same who killed his son. : Both this characters fate and lives seem to me very gloomy, and without any hope for the future, more than any other in ME. Unlike others, who have experienced hopless and desperate moments (Sam and Frodo in Mordor, Maedros with his hand bond to the rock), but none, I think, lived (almost) his entire life knowing there is no hope not just for himself, but also for his entire race. >>>Dont forget such characters as Boromir, Saruman, Denethor and Lotho Sackville Baggins that all fell down to greed - on a small scale thats kind of tragic too:)
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