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Topic: Re: For Michael re: Half-Dwarves    Reply to: msg 8386
Posted: January 27, 2000 at 19:17:52: by Goodgulf
: : You mention that Tolkien describes half-dwarves in THE RETURN
: : OF THE KING. Can you reference that please?
: : Thank you

: I don't recall saying he spoke of "half-dwarves" as, say, a role-playing gamer would speak of them. The reference is to the army that took Cair Andros and crossed Anduin there to block the road to Rohan:

:


: So now at least the City was besieged, enclosed in a ring of
: foes. The Rammas was broken, and all the Pelennor abandoned
: to the Enemy. The last word to come from outside the walls
: was brought by men flying down the northward road ere the Gate
: was shut. They were the remnant of the guard that was kept at
: that point where the way from Anorien and Rohan ran into the
: townlands. Ingold led them, the same who had admitted Gandalf
: and Pippin less than five days before, while the sun still rose
: and there was hope in the morning.
:
:
:
: 'There is no news of the Rohirrim', he said. 'Rohan will not
: come now. Or if they come, it will not avail us. The new host
: that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by
: way of Andros, it is said. They are strong: battalions of Orcs
: of the Eye, and countless companies of Men of a new sort that
: we have not met before. Not tall, but broad and grim, bearded
: like dwarves, wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in
: the wide East they come, we deem. They hold the northward
: road; and many have passed on into Anorien. The Rohirrim
: cannot come.'
:

: I don't recall Tolkien ever calling them Half-dwarves. I think the convention was developed by gamers and Tolkien fans have simply fallen into the happen of using that term.

I don't see how the term "not tall" can infer "short" like a dwarf. To me it could merely mean of average height or perhaps a bit shorter. The fact that they were broad and had beards like Dwarves tell us nothing about their height or lineage. They are described as "Men of a new sort", not Dwarves. My view is that some have put a slant on the passage that it does not warrant.




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