Posted: January 29, 2000 at 01:28:40: by Tar-Elenion
: : : : Aranwe (aran='king') was of the House of Fingolfin; how?
: : : : Was he sister of Elenwe, thus keeping 'WE' in the family?: : : Elenwe came from the Vanyar. : : : : And what was so 'kingly' about him?
: : : : He was father of Voronwe, certainly a special Elf.
: : : : Does it have to do with Gondolin, at all? : : : I have no idea. : : : There is no real information concerning Voronwe's family. : :
: : You are correct in the meaning of 'WE'. From 'WEG' meaning a male person (similar to the gender suffixes '-ION', '-WEN', and 'IEL'). Thus Finwe= skillful man (note not HAIR these have different roots); Ingwe= principle man; Elwe= star man (possibly)
: : ; Voronwe= steadfast man; Aranwe= king man (or king's man). One theoretical possibility to his relation to the House of Fingolfin is that he was married to or descended from Fingolfin's sister. : Yes, the 'Shibboleth of Feanor' (which I just carefully re-read) explains much! So, I'll concede a few points, & lose any wacky theories. However, its interesting how the suffix *WE* is used primarily, & invariably, for the earliest of Elves. In fact the 1st 8 leaders of distinct peoples (if you count Morwe & Nurwe, who may have been short-lived, but possibly leaders of 2 Avari tribes at the Separation nevertheless); Ingwe, Finwe, Elwe, Olwe, Morwe, Nurwe, Lenwe, & Nowe (Cirdan). It could be that language was so underdeveloped, that anyone requiring a formal name adopted *WE*. But maybe there was a bit more significance to it, as well. : Either way, back to the only remaining Elves ending in *WE* (descendants of Finwe don't count - as they all use 'Finwe' anyway):
: -Elenwe: where is it stated she was Vanyar (& how); and how do you suppose she came by a (mostly) masculine name [PoME,p340 notwithstanding]? "...Idril [Turgon's] daughter... was golden as the Vanyar, her mother's kindred...". Elenwe is Idril's mother. Possible explanation ElenWEN is cumbersome to say so drop the N and the name is much more lyrical. : -Aranwe: with what little we know about him, could he have been more prominent than we know? Suppose he married a sister of Fingolfin, he could still be quite ancient. Maybe he led the 2nd Tatyar? (But enough theory)
: -Voronwe & Valwe: the only 2 others I know of. One's a very special case (with evidence of another name), & the other's a mystery (who does *something* prominent). Valwe? : So, would it not be reasonable to assume a more significant status for those with the suffix *WE* than just 'man'? : Heorrenda
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