Posted: March 29, 2000 at 14:06:42: by Beleriandil
: OK, I have a question I would like some thoughts on.
: In one of the ideas Tolkein had for Galadriels history, she was said to be 'the only Noldo left in M-E (at the time of the war of the ring) to whom the ban of the valar applied to' - I.E the chief Noldo rebels were banned from going back to Valinor. The implication is that there were others but they were not around at this time.
: My problem with this is thus.....
: The only way thay could not be around is
: 1) To have been forgiven and returned to Valinor
: or
: 2) To have died
: As these were ringleaders, we are talking like cool dood, Noldo Elf Lords.
: If they had died, were is the history of it?? Must be world shattering events, I mean Celebrian gets a mention just for getting wounded....
: If they were forgiven, what did they do to earn it? Galadriel had to refuse the one ring when offered to get forgiven, what did these other elves do??
: Seems to me an incongruous argument that JRRT threw in without considering properly.
: If it is not the cae G was the only one left, then you have some big Noldo Lords stuck in M-E after the WoR, cos they hadn't been pardoned had they??: Thoughts please guys and gals.....This one is bugging me I am not too sure about this, but I think that in the passage where Tolkien muses about Galadriel and why she did not return to Aman after the First Age, the reason that the ban still counted for her is just one of the probabilities. And I also think, that Tolkien concluded that this was not the case and that Galadriel did not return to Eldamar simply because she wanted to stay in Middle-Earth. This, I think, shows that the baN of the Valar was made void after the War of Wrath. There certainly were Noldor left in Middle-Earth until the end of the Third Age and perhaps even longer than that. Gildor's Company, for one, seems to have consisted of Noldor.
I might be good to add, that Tolkien seemed to have intendend to disconnect Galadriel totally from the revolt of the Noldor by making her return to Middle-Earth on her own, without interaction with Feanor (See Unfinished Tales).
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