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Topic: Re: Second Age kingdoms...reading    Reply to: msg 13039
Posted: May 10, 2000 at 16:04:50: by Russ

: This is not correct. Elwing was only a child when Doriath was destroyed. It's not clear who, if anyone, led the survivors of Doriath, but she did not. Tuor and Idril arrived with the survivors of Gondolin about two years later. Arvernien was established by Tuor and Idril, and Earendil became its lord after Tuor left in typical father-to-son inheritance. Neither Gondolin nor Doriath's lordships were continued in Arvernien.

I've got to read a bit more about that period. I'm weak on the details.

: Elrond had no claims to kingship anywhere in Beleriand. Even if it could be reasonably shown he should be king in Doriath, there was no longer any Doriath. Even if it could be reasonably shown he should be king in Gondolin, there was no longer any Gondolin.

: The High Kingship of the Noldor passed to Gil-galad and the lordship of the Sindar passed to Celeborn. Elrond never figured into any inheritances of authority.

Oh we were so close! I agreed with everything up until the point about Celeborn. First, Celeborn was not even around during the last years in Beleriand - he and Galadriel had already passed over the Ered Luin.

As I recall, Celeborn was not named Lord of the Sindar by Gil-galad nor would Gil-galad have any such authority. Gil-galad did apparently name Celeborn lord of Harlindon which was populated mostly by Sindar. I think that's an importnat distinction.

Russ



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