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Topic: Re: I have three questions about rings    Reply to: msg 14192
Posted: May 29, 2000 at 14:45:08: by Bacchus
: Alright, From what I have read, and peiced together from messages on this board, I think I have a working understanding.
: Still I should like to bring up a few points that seem hazy to me.
: 1) When the ring falls into the Cracks of Doom with Gollum, this is the downfall of Sauron, second and last. Does the destruction of the ring kill Sauron, as I think I have heard someone said(or at least how I interrpreted what was said)? But if this is so how could he not know that the ring was still in tact?
: 2) Sauron was master of the one ring. And the one could control all of the others. Sothis means that Sauron could control the nine even when the ring was not in his possesion (what I have peiced together) But had the ring actually been destroyed, would he still be able to control the wraiths? And wouldn't this tell him his ring was whole long before he caught gollum?

Good questions. I believe that the idea that Sauron thought the Ring destroyed was introduced during the debate at the Council of Elrond. Looking at it again, I think that Sauron had to know that the Ring had not been destroyed. It is explicitly stated by JRRT that the other Great Rings would be effective only so long as the One existed. This was part of Sauron's design in making the One. Obviously, the Nine had not failed because the Nazgul still existed. Therefore the One must still exist. However, Sauron did not know that it had been found until he captured Gollum in 3017.

When the Ring was destroyed, Sauron was NOT killed. He was a transcendent, immortal being and could not be killed. However, so much of his original strength was invested in the Ring that when it was destroyed, he was reduced to an impotent spirit. This is actually a much worse fate then death. Imagine the frustration of knowing that you will never again influence anything. Until the end of time, the being who desired dominion over the entire world could only watch helplessly and be ignored.

The reason that Sauron could control the Nazgul without the One in his posession is that he took the Nine into his posession.




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