Posted: June 02, 2000 at 04:26:13: by Stephen Geard
: This is an ambitious project, but I don't believe Tolkien would have devised names which use "heru", "lord" in them. He seems to have favored names which use elements like "-ndil" and "-ndur", which mean "devoted to" or "obediant to". The Lord of Andunie revered Iluvatar and the Valar and yet remained loyal to the kings until almost the very end.
I don't see a problem with Herendil, altho you may be right about Ciryaher.
: I believe the Kings of Arnor and Gondor after Valandil and Meneldil established new traditions, so I would be reluctant to suggest their names were used in Andunie, except where they are obviously named for an ancestor. I disagree. We don't have mauch data to go on, with only 4 named Lords and 8 Middle-earth born High Kings, but from these two sets there are two common elements (Valandil & Earendur). So I think the High Kings (at least) may have drawn on Andunien names. : I'm pretty sure no Lord of Andunie would have presumed to take (or to bestow upon a son) any name beginning with "Tar-", which implied a kingship. Agreed. Hence I avoided Tarcil and Tarondor. : Third Age names I would regard as probable for Andunien family names would include: Eldacar, Valandur, Cemendur, Earendil, Earendur, and Anardil (the given or birth name of Tar-Aldarion). Possibly also Valacar, Aldamir, and Siriondil. Anardil & Cemendur are on my reserve list of names. : With respect to your list, I suggest the following names are thus unlikely:
: 2. Eldacar (1035 - 1194) Too much of a foreshadowing of the Arnorian descent. Precisely why I chose it. See my page for details. : 3. Silmarion (1194 - 1340) I don't believe this would have been used. Just a gut feeling. It is a bit unusual, but I think I will stick with it. : 7. Telumehtar (1700 - 1959) Doesn't seem to fit with the family naming conventions. Given that he was a victorious warrior-general, I thought this appropriate. : 8. Vilyanúmen (1959 - 2119) Doesn't seem to fit with the family naming conventions. Maybe not, but surely I can put in one name of ny own invention? : 10. Herendil (2256 - 2386) Includes the "her-" element implying lordship, even though the name could mean "Devoted to the lord" (or to one's lord). I think that is what it means. : 12. Ciryaher (2518 - 2644) Includes the "her" element implying lordship.
: 14. Ulmondil (2775 - 2879) Doesn't seem to fit with the family naming conventions. These names (as well as Ciryon and Earendur) suggest an association with the Sea. Ulmondil is modelled on Manwendil, Aulendil & Oromendil, all early descendants of Elros.
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