Posted: June 22, 2000 at 15:32:42: by Michael Martinez
: It is said in LOTR that the ship with Bilbo, Frodo, Elrond and
: Gandalf etc, was the ship with which the last of the elves set
: sail to Valinor. Also, i've read that when all the elves have
: left ME Valinor will dissapear beyond the comprehension of Men
: and those that dwell still in ME. But in the final chapter of
: LOTR it is said that Sam later went to the Grey Havens and set
: sail to Valinor. How is this possible?Well, for one thing, it sounds like you're being influenced by David Day or one of those other miscreants who makes up stuff. Tolkien never said Valinor would "disappear beyond the comprehension of Men" blah blah blah. Valinor (and all of Aman) was removed from the circles of the world in the Second Age. It's already gone. And Sam was not the last to take ship over Sea. Legolas and Gimli sailed after he did, and it may be that Celeborn sailed after they did.
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