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Topic: Oh, yes it did! (was Re: The Balrog of Moria did not have wings. Period. I am so sick of this debate.)    Reply to: msg 15031
Posted: June 23, 2000 at 14:07:51: by Michael Martinez
: The Balrogs Wings debate is a perfect example of what is wrong
: with Tolkien discussion on the Internet and why it is so
: difficult to find serious criticism on him.

It's not. But one does have to consciously look past the serious Balrog discussions.

On the other hand, if you're referring to serious literary criticism, dealing with symbol and metaphor, I find that stuff boring.

: Why this obsession with fictional history? It's essentially
: pseudo-anthropology. You're trying to find truths about a
: non-existent material world through a fictional work - a novel
: no less, not even a history.

Nope. Just documenting what the author wrote.

: I always thought Balrogs had wings - from my viewings of Howe's
: paintings - until someone mentioned this debate and I re-read
: the passage at Moria. Judging from my personal assessment of
: Tolkien's style and my understanding of writing in general, I
: quickly came to the decision that the "wings" in the passage
: were entirely metaphorical,...

Characters in the story don't see the metaphors. Tolkien's characters saw the Balrog's wings.

: except in the sense that they were extensions of the Balrog's
: shadow, because the Balrog apparently has the ability to
: emanate or project darkness and fire simultaneously, a
: brilliant and creepy invention by Tolkien. This emanated
: darkness, apparently, resembled a pair of wings in this
: context. But darkness it remains.

So, you're basically still in the wingers camp. :)

: I have never, ever been persuaded by any of the arguments since
: that the Balrog of Moria had wings, and I never will be.
: Tolkien didn't say it did; in fact, he inferred that it didn't.
: And that's good enough for me.

No, he said it had wings, and he certainly never IMPLIED that it did not.

And that's good enough for me.
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