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Topic: Re: Noldor Elves and their disappearing act.....    Reply to: msg 15328
Posted: June 29, 2000 at 12:59:51: by Tamim

: (1)The Noldor had no reason to "forgive the Valar for the first
: ag". They had broken the ban of the Valar, particularly the
: the Noldor who toak the oath of Feanor.


There were only eight of them.

It was they who had
: to suffer to earn the forgivness of the Valar. Galadriel
: and Celeborn are interesting cases as Galadriel, of all the
: Noldor, did not swear the oath.

Not correct. And besides Galadriel might have been the only one to whom the Valar did not give the permission to return after first age.


She also fought against the
: Noldor at Aqualonde as she was of Olwes kin. Celeborn was
: kinbsman of Thingol and a Teleri. He did not fall under the
: ban. Galadriel fell under the Ban because she chose to
: leave with the Noldor for Beleriand (and by extension Middle-
: Earth) to rule there 'a realm under her own hand' She also
: refused the pardon of the Valar at the end of the first age
: (The History of Celeborn and Galadriel)as it was her fate
: to achevie her desire (the one ring)and use it to rule
: (2)

There was no "one ring" at the end of the first age.


It is not implicitly stated in TLOR that any Noldor other
: than the ringbearers departed with Gandalf and Frodo and
: Bilbo. It is also mentioned somewhare in Christoper
: Tolkeins works, either The Shaping of Middle Earth, or The
: Unfinished Tales (See Chapter 4 'The History of Galadriel
: and Celeborn')that Celeborn did NOT leave with Galadriel.
: That he infact remained behind at Lothlorien and later
: Imladris.

I think it is in the appendices

Snip

Tamim



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