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Topic: Re: Noldor Elves and their disappearing act.....    Reply to: msg 15333
Posted: June 30, 2000 at 07:36:44: by Tamim

I definitely did not. Just Corrected your mistakes.

:
: Your points one by one:

: There was ALOT more than eight.

Only eight of them took any kind of oaths, while you said that Galadriel alone did not take any oath.

Quoting you: "Galadriel
and Celeborn are interesting cases as Galadriel, of all the
Noldor, did not swear the oath. "

I corrected this and you were simply utterly wrong.

snip

: Your statement/point about 'There was no one ring in the first age" I don't understand. Perhaps I was unclear and didn't finish my sentence.

You said: "She also
refused the pardon of the Valar at the end of the first age
(The History of Celeborn and Galadriel)as it was her fate
to achevie her desire (the one ring)and use it to rule.."

As I said there was no "ring of power" at the beginning of the second age, or ending of the first. Additionally she obviously was not fated to use the One ring (Sauron's ring). She wanted to carve a realm in ME, yes, but the non-existent rings had nothing to do with it.

: What I am saying is that Galadriel rejected the pardon of the Valar at then end of the first age for two reasons:

snip
: (2)It was not her duty (nor her fate) to depart Middle-Earth
: until Sauron was defeated and all that she desired was within
: her grasp.

snip

Where did you get this? Sauron was not a threat at that time and as far as I know, she was either banned to go to west because she was one of the leaders of the rebellion, or she herself didn't want to go, because she wanted to live in ME and carve a realm from there. Sauron, IMO, had little to do with that decision and the rings surely had NOTHING to do with her decision, as they didn't even exist.

Tamim



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