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Topic: Re: Gandalf.. should have delivered a good kicking...    Reply to: msg 16195
Posted: July 28, 2000 at 11:51:44: by Mordomin
: : Does anyone know why Gandalf didn't goto the battle of Pelonnor Fields after he had taken Faramir to thr HOH? Before pippin grabs him at the gate (just after confronting the Lord of the Nazgul (the best bad guy in my opinion - properly evil and scary) ) he says that he has to go as the battle is still in the balance - perhaps he desired a confrontation proper (like with the Balrog - sort of gandalf flexing his muscles but now with extra power) but he is taken away to stop Denethor killing faramir.

How much more 'proper' does a confrontation get than Gandalf and the Witch-King nose-to-nose trading threats atop the ruined gates of Minas Tirith? It's one of the most dramatic moments in the entire trilogy, IMHO.

: Actually, unless you are referring to two different scenes, Gandalf does not say that the battle hangs in the balance. He does say: "but if I do [leave], then others will die, I fear. Well, I must come, since no other help can reach him. But evil and sorrow will come of this. Even in the heart of our stronghold the Enemy has power to strike us: for his will it is that is at work.’"

: The "battle" that you may be referring to is the one in which Eowyn and Merry confront the Witch King and defeat him, which Gandalf apparently thought to play a part:

: "Beyond hope the Captain of our foes has been destroyed, and you have heard the echo of his last despair. But he has not gone without woe and bitter loss. And that I might have averted but for the madness of Denethor."

: So as for Gandalf's usefulness on the battlefield, to him it is really moot at this point. The Witch King would have sought to route the Rohirrim and in doing so turn the tide of battle against the defenders, and thus grasp victory. However, Eowyn and Merry defeat the Witch King, and thus Gandalf is not needed to actually take part in the battle more so then he had before.

If Gandalf had been free to pursue the Witch-King, the death of Theoden and the near-mortal wounding of Eowyn and Merry would likely have been prevented. That is the regret he is speaking of.

: : So why if as he said the battle was still in the balance, why didn't he go down to the battle? He still could have been useful down there.

::snip

Good question, and one that is being hotly debated in another post. I say that he didn't go down to the battle because he was tending to the wounded, Faramir at first, and later Eowyn and Merry as well. If he had no talent for healing, then it would have been pointless for him to stay.

he could have saved Halbarad, who in my opinion is the LOTR equivalent of the guy in the original Star trek who beamed down with Kirk and Spock (usually wearing an orange uniform) and you just know he's going to die....

I don't know if even Gandalf could have saved the dour-handed Red-Shirt. :)

: Ummm, actually the shirts were red (they were later exchanged with the gold shirts of "command" in Next Generation . . . no one has ever explained why they made that exchange, since blue remained science), thus the term "Red Shirts" as Trek-slang for the security which always proved rather useless, except as cannon fodder.

: I always had an image of a group of red shirts sitting in the "Security Lounge" chain smoking and sucking down coffee stale coffee from grey-colored styrofoam cups, just waiting for the intercom to go off and request one or two of them to meet Kirk in the transporter room. Then they would draw straws or cast lots, one guy would hang his head in dispair, the others would clap him on the back, shake his hand, and hand him a phaser belt, for all the good it would do for him. ;)

Rob, you are either one sick puppy or a Star Trek scriptwriter. 'Fess up! LOL!

: -RR




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