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Topic: Re: Suite101 -- Gil-galad the Elven-king    Reply to: msg 16585
Posted: August 04, 2000 at 12:37:22: by Michael Martinez
: I have two comments. First regarding where Gil-galad went
: from Nargothrond. You mention the one conception that Gil
:-galad escaped from the ruin of Nargothrond and made his way to
: the Mouth of Sirion. However, there was the other conception:
: that he had already been sent to the Havens of the Falas for
: his safety and thus was not in Nargothrond for it's fall. In
: that "timeline" Gil-galad would have gone directly to Balar
: with Cirdan's escape from the Falas which were attacked a few
: years after the fall of Nargothrond.

That is the rejected timeline, the one where Gil-galad was Fingon's son.

Your point about Gil-galad escaping from the fall of Nargothrond is good, but I don't believe Tolkien would have had Gil-galad sent to Cirdan.

: My second comment deals with the extent of the Sindarn
: migration from Lindon. I think you overstate it. The Doraith
: Sindar were practically nonexistant by the beginning of the
: Second Age. The two sacks of Doriath and the sack of the
: Havens of Sirion effectively decimated them. Thus, I don't
: think we're really talking about a lot of Doriathrim who were
: shaking the dust of Lindon off their feet. It's stated in
: the LOTR Appendix that the Sindarin component of the largely
: Avarin Silvan realms of Greenwood and Lorien was small.

There were other realms which eventually disappeared, and there were also Sindar living in Eriador. Remember, Sauron overran many lands. And I tried to show that only the Doriathrim had a reason to want to leave Lindon.

: The Sindar of Lindon who lived in South Lindon were not
: intermingled with the Noldor who lived in North Lindon. The
: hated Feanoreans were off with Celebrimbor building Hollin and
: Ost-in-Edhil. They had one of their own, Celeborn, as their
: immediate lord.

Maybe. Celeborn was certainly lord of Harlindon for a while, but we don't know where the Noldor all were. At the very least, I'm pretty sure Galadriel would have lived in Harlindon with Celeborn, and I get the impression there were at least a few Noldor who followed her around.



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