Posted: August 10, 2000 at 12:55:32: by Dave aka Don Quixote
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: : : : : And finally I feel there's a further balance in that in the second Age there exists one Feanorian (Celebrimbor), one Fingolfian (Gil-Galad) and one Finarfian (Galadriel)...: : : : Says who? Elrond is descended from them as is Celebrian, and Amroth if you take him as Galadriels son. : : : Elrond is half-elven and doesn't count. Celebrian is Galadriel's child and moreover she was probably born during the Second Age, not the first. : : Does count as is a direct descendant and ultimately heir to the Royal Line of Fingolfin : We are referring to balance here, which is an entirely subjective matter. As I said I consider Elrond, Elros and the half-elves to not count. Moreover and perhaps more importantly if anything he's not a Fingolfian but a Hadorian. It's male lines that determine the house that one belongs to. :
: : : And as for Amroth, no I don't take him s Galadriel's son since something as important as that would have been mentioned in LotR... : : But is mused on in unfinished tales and therefore is another of the profs 'undecideds' : Actually i think it is explicitely stated that Tolkien rejected this parentage of Amroth. Amroth became the son of Amdir. :
: : : Indeed, nonetheless they didn't enter the tales and thus they don't exist *in* the tales... And I know of no other way to measure their existence. : : : Aris Katsaris : : No, but also they COULD exist and therefore, the existence of them would alter your balance, whether in the Authors subconcious, or on the written page : Yet they *don't* exist as the written page is now, the same way that flying elephants could exist in Middle-earth and yet we have no knowledge they do. I find it silly to take unknown invisible Feanorians of the Second Age into my thoughts, the same I way I waste no time in contemplating the non-use of flying elephants by the forces of Sauron :-) : If Tolkien were to place such surviving Feanorians then obviously my thoughts would have to be changed. But here we're debating just this one thing about Gil-galad, keeping the rest of the story intact... I find it simpler that way... : Aris Katsaris Yes, and Tolkein DID finally decide upon Orodreth being the Father of Gil-Galad, and therefore the same applies - no point musing on what SHOULD have been, or COULD have been
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