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  Posted by Martin Read on April 29, 1999 at 06:56:29
In Reply to: Re: About Bladorthin and bearded dwarves posted by Michael Martinez on April 29, 1999 at 02:30:48:



: 'Girion was lord of Dale, not king of Esgaroth,' he said. : 'In the Lake-town we have always elected masters from among : the old and wise, and have not endured the rule of mere : fighting men. Let "King Bard" go back to his own kingdom -- : Dale is now freed by his valour, and nothing hinders his : return. And any that wish can go with him, if they prefer : the cold stones under the shadow of the Mountain to the green : shores of the lake. The wise will stay here and hope to : rebuild our town, and enjoy again in time its peace and : riches.' :

: Note here the Master says "lord of Dale" but he also says that Bard can "go back to his own kingdom". Tolkien does consistently call Girion "Lord of Dale", but he also refers to King Theoden as "Lord of the Mark" in many places. "Lord" and "King" are sometimes used interchangeably by Tolkien.

: You raise an interesting point. I can't say I have proof that Girion was indeed a king -- not handy, at any rate. Maybe I'll be able to research this further at some point and offer a better response.

The interchangable use of king and lord for a sovereign has a very old history. The Later Roman emperors were commonly referred to as Dominus (lord); and indeed most of their coinage had the title DN - Dominus Nostrum (Our Lord) - before any other title.

The English etymology of the two terms which Tolkien would have been familiar with allows for dual usage.

Lord is from hlaford meaning "Loaf [bread] giver" and referred to a lord's basic characteristic of feeding his retainers.

King is from cyning "Belonging to the [royal] kin."




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