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  Posted by Michael Martinez on May 07, 1999 at 15:43:42
In Reply to: Long Cleeve posted by Niniel on May 07, 1999 at 15:19:00:



: In the Took family-tree (Appendix C, LotR)there is an entry : under the name of Bandrobas "Bullroarer" Took which says: "Many : descendants, including the North-tooks of Long Cleeve. That : and a mention that Pippin marries Diamond of Long Cleeve is the : only information I could find on this division of the Took : family. Does anyone know anything else? And also, is Long : Cleeve on any ot the maps? I might be being inobservant. Thanx! : Niniel(a newbie)

Welcome aboard. :)

Tolkien did not put Long Cleeve on any maps of which I'm aware. Karen Fonstad and Robert Foster speculate that it's in the Northfarthing (probably since the North-Tooks descended from Bandobras "Bullroarer" Took lived in Long Cleeve). Fonstad placed Long Cleeve in in the North Moors, at a position southwest of Greenfields, in her Atlas. I don't know why she chose that location.

MERP may also have Long Cleve on some of their maps, but I don't have the Shire module or anything else that would show where they placed it.

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