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The White CouncilRe: GoldberryTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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The White CouncilRe: GoldberryTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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Posted by Daniel Gagnon on May 17, 1999 at 01:24:53 In Reply to: Re: Goldberry posted by Martin Read on March 17, 1999 at 04:26:59:
It is just that my theory is that the concept of Ainur is against the power of reproduction. But the Ainur have the power to create for themselves a "Hroath" ( body ) just like the children. But for them it is just a clothes. They can simulating to be like the Children but they aren't able to create life. Aulë try it and without the help of Ilúvatar the Khazads had no "Faër" (souls). They Ainur cannot create souls so they can't give life ( of course they can create a body, but without a soul it is no more then a puppet ). The children have the power to summon a soul from Ilúvatar to their childs ( and samething for the animals, it is why Ungoliantë had offsprings ). : Retuning to the "Internal" question, Goldberry's ancestry could be merely metaphorical - "River-daughter" as you might describe a sailor as "A son of the sea." Or if the Maia could reproduce she might be the progeny of two of the followers of Ulmo. Tolkien never really fully made up his mind as to whether his "Angelic Spirits" could reproduce - Melian did and so apparently did Ungoliant - though this was with due to mating with corporeal beings. At one stage Eonwe was going to be the son of Manwe and Varda, but this was later dropped. : So basically you can believe whatever you prefer on the whole subject.
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