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Posted by Jon on September 19, 1999 at 12:53:04 In Reply to: The short version posted by Frode on September 18, 1999 at 21:21:31:
: "I am Gandalf the White, but Black is mightier still" : All pedant arguments aside. Tolkien sets Black with evil and White with good (and no..this has nothing to do with race, skin colour, hair or clothes). : And Olorin: Gandalf says this before he strips Saruman of rank. You are also right Olorin in saying that Saruman is connoted with Black after his fall. Gandalf says he will set his silver (Shadowfax) against Black before he rides to battle against Saruman. Any credibility you had is gone when you say something like that. If you think the "Black" Gandalf was talking about in this case was Saruman, you obviously don't know anything about Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings. And if you don't know anything about that, you have no business writing about Tolkien's symbolism and whether or not he was racist. It's so obvious. He's talking about his SILVER HORSE riding against Saruman's black horse? I think not, because Saruman did not have a black horse. So it had to mean the black steeds of Mordor.
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