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  Posted by Michael Martinez on December 16, 1999 at 12:27:55
In Reply to: Re: Where was Strider? posted by Neithan on December 16, 1999 at 11:35:33:



: : Well, Imladris is pretty close to the Angle, but Nenuial is : : too close to the Shire to comply with Tolkien's statement in : : "At the Sign of the Prancing Pony" that "in those days no : : other Men had settled dwellings so far west, or within a : : hundred leagues of the Shire." And Tolkien does go on to say : : that "in the wild lands beyond Bree there were mysterious : : wanderers....They roamed at will southwards, and eastwards : : even as far as the Misty Mountains; but they were now few and : : rarely seen".

: You have to think traveling the wilderniss on foot. That does : not put The Angle close to Imladris in my book (well some of : the north, less fertile part, but...).

The Rangers didn't alway travel on foot, however. And the Angle extends all the way from Mitheithel to Bruinen, and from the Road southwards to the confluence of the two rivers. The Dunedain could have lived along the Bruinen for all we know.

: The key words are "roam" and "wander", they, to me at least, : implies that the Rangers were not settled there. Whether : Barliman's knowledge of where who were settled was extensive is : another matter but he was good at sifting up rumours etc.

Rumors can be misleading, and if only the Rangers were roaming and wandering then the Dunedain could have settled beyond the Mitheithel and been 300 miles from the Shire. Tolkien elsewhere says the Dunedain became a secretive and wandering folk, but he doesn't call them nomadic, and I think that's significant. Also, Martin's finding of the "fastness in the wilderness" passage in THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH leads me to believe that Tolkien definitely didn't have nomadism in mind for them.

In one of the earlier entries for Arvedui in POME, Tolkien wrote that Aranarth settled at Imladris after the defeat of Angmar. He removed this text from the final "Heirs of Elendil" document, but it implies he envisioned Aranarth and the other surviving Dunedain settling in or near Rivendell (and it's also stated that Aranarth gave up the title 'king' because he had no folk).


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