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The White CouncilBlack Numenoreans (was: Re: More Nazgul/Mouth of Souron Questions)Tolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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The White CouncilBlack Numenoreans (was: Re: More Nazgul/Mouth of Souron Questions)Tolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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Posted by Erestor on December 22, 1999 at 18:43:15 In Reply to: Re: More Nazgul/Mouth of Souron Questions (was Re: Where did the Nazgul come from?) posted by Michael Martinez on December 17, 1999 at 21:41:57:
: 1) The text says he was a Black Numenorean. That name only : occurred in the Third Age. In the Second Age the ancestors : of the Black Numenoreans were called the Kings Men. The Mouth of Sauron passage itself says "But it is told that he was a renegade, who came of the race of those that are named the Black Numenoreans; for they established their dwellings in Middle-earth during the years of Sauron's domination." The years of Sauron's domination were the Second Age, and this passage says that is when the Black Numenoreans established their dwellings in Middle-earth. So the Black Numenoreans he is talking about being related to the Mouth were definitely Second Age people whether they were called Black Numenoreans at the time or not. Also, Numenore fell 122 years before the end of the Second Age. In all that time there was no King for the King's Men to be the men of. I'd think that this was probably when the name changed, once the King himself was gone. It is also possible that Black Numenoreans is what Middle-earth people called them as opposed to their own name for themselves.
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