The White Council

Re: Council advice needed - Noldo Elves question

Tolkien and Inklings Discussion

: OK, I have a question I would like some thoughts on. : In one of the ideas Tolkein had for Galadriels history, she was said to be 'the only Noldo left in M-E (at the time of the war of the ring) to whom the ban of the valar applied to' - I.E the chief Noldo rebels were banned from going back to Valinor. The implication is that there were others but they were not around at this time. : My problem with this is thus..... : The only way thay could not be around is : 1) To have been forgiven and returned to Valinor : or : 2) To have died : As these were ringleaders, we are talking like cool dood, Noldo Elf Lords. : If they had died, were is the history of it?? Must be world shattering events, I mean Celebrian gets a mention just for getting wounded.... : If they were forgiven, what did they do to earn it? Galadriel had to refuse the one ring when offered to get forgiven, what did these other elves do?? : Seems to me an incongruous argument that JRRT threw in without considering properly. : If it is not the cae G was the only one left, then you have some big Noldo Lords stuck in M-E after the WoR, cos they hadn't been pardoned had they??

: Thoughts please guys and gals.....This one is bugging me

Well, to start with, Galadriel is not the only Noldor left. I don't even know about last Noldor lord (lady...) Glorfindel was (if we take the reincarnation tack) a mighty Noldor lord, who made his debut in Gondolin, all those years ago. I would say that he was one to note. Obviously there's Gildor Inglorion of the House of Finrod. Now, in Fellowship, it is said that Elrond sent out all his great lords who can withstand the nine. Glorfindel was probably the mightiest of these. However, Gildor's little troupers managed to scare off at least Khamul (?). Doesn't that say something about his ppl, and his inherent power? It has been debated whether he is actually Finrod's son, or whether it just signifies "Of the house of Finrod" (well, Inglor, to take his original name).

Soooo... The conclusion is that there's still quite a few Noldor lords (and probably ladies) floating around in Middle Earth. I personally think that Maglor would have wearied, and died long ago (i could be wrong), but hey, could he really endure the pain, and the weariness of his soul? Nah, he would have just lain down and passed on.

So yeah, Galadriel probably isn't the last, not by a long shot.

Gandalf