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  Posted by Maedhros on April 08, 2000 at 19:40:00
In Reply to: Re: Origins posted by Aelmer on April 08, 2000 at 19:21:26:



: : Tolkein emplies that the Orcs are deeply perverted Elves, and the Trolls are likewise of the Ents... These imply that Morgoth did not have the ability to create... It is, however, very clear that not only Eru could create, Aule, thus, what would Morgoth or Sauron have created? What was the true origin of the Dragon? Were they integrated with Maiar? What feats did Sauron accomplish in the feild of creation (as he was after all a Maiar of Aule)?

: Well, last night I re-read the portions of the SIL concerning Aule, Melkor and other Valar. Unless I am interperting the text entirely wrong, I appears that some,if not all, of the higher Valar had a creative ability that may, or may not,have been limited to specific area. Yavanna, springs to mind. There is no mention of Maia having the ability. So Sauron didn't have it.

: However, it clearly states that the Valar had to submit their creations to Eru for approval(this explains Aule and the Dwarf Fathers).It also states that Melkor lost his ability to make life, or semblence of life, following his rebellion in the Ainulindale before The Begining.

The important point is that he had it, so he could create non-living creatures. I think that all the ainur had this ability, but only few used it, or had the power to make its use worth the while. 'We're doomed! Sauron has wrought a new breed of ants to bring our empire to it knees!' Maedhros



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