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The White CouncilRe: Yes - with an addendumTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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The White CouncilRe: Yes - with an addendumTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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Posted by RobRoy on April 25, 2000 at 17:30:58 In Reply to: Re: Yes - with an addendum posted by Anardil on April 25, 2000 at 16:37:54:
: : -RobRoy : No offense, but how is the idea passed then, telepathically? It cannot exist in the mind of the author *and* the minds of the reader without some kind of basis in the texts. There is something special about the strife between elves and dwarves. Tolkien clearly intended it and many readers pick up on it. The idea can not be transferred in any way but through the books. snip : No offense, but how is the idea passed then, telepathically? It cannot exist in the mind of the author *and* the minds of the reader without some kind of basis in the texts. There is something special about the strife between elves and dwarves. Tolkien clearly intended it and many readers pick up on it. The idea can not be transferred in any way but through the books. Sure. No offence taken. None at all. Really. But "telepathically" . . . in the immortal words of someone else: Cut me a little credit. I agree that Tolkien did want the idea to be present, and that he incorporated such into the text so that in the minds of the reader this "strife" existed between elves and dwarves. This is supported in The Hobbit and LOTR. But (and I don't want to get into another Elf/Dwarf argrument) the question brought to the fore is if we believed that there was, within the text, "evidence of tension between elves and dwarves, historically." Yes, absolutely, but no more or less so (as I stated previously) then the strife that existed say, between elves and men (historically speaking). That's why I called it an addendum, because while I hold that Tolkien did place the idea of extra-strife (I know it's not a word) within The Hobbit and LOTR it is not borne out through the entire body of work (or at least there doesn't seem to be a hard and fast reason for this strife), which has been Mr. Martinez's contention all along. -RobRoy
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