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The White CouncilRe: Elves before/after the rise of the sunTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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The White CouncilRe: Elves before/after the rise of the sunTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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Posted by Tamim Khawaja on April 28, 2000 at 09:32:35 In Reply to: Re: Elves before/after the rise of the sun posted by Foradan on April 28, 2000 at 06:22:52:
: : I like to think that. The men did't diminish from first to second age in general, from second to third sure, the dunadain lost their powers. True there was no Turin or Hurin, but still. : : Remember what the handful of dunadain did to sauron with the elves after the fall of Numenor. It was a big fleet to Valinor then. Still realistically the intervention by the god was probably needed because the Valar did't think they had the right to kill so many children of Eru. Let's hope that the Valar were : : a bit shaken at the sight of the fleet though. : : Tamim : Another Finn, huh? Well it's not a Finnish name, so why do you suppose I am a Finn. Depends on how do you define "finn" Born and raised here, Mother a finn, Father's origins in Pakistan. Decide for yourself, what to call a person like that. : I think that the Valar could certainly have repelled the assault of the Numenoreans without the intervention of Iluvatar (Among other reasons: it is said that Sauron knew that the Numenoreans could not win, and even Feanor could not have overcome even one of the Valar "had Eru made him thrice as great as he was".). But I agree with your points as the reasons why the Valar did call upon Eru. They could not have destroyed the Numenoreans with just a snap of their fingers and the war would have wrought grievous harm to Valinor and its inhabitants. Manwë perhaps said something like: "Look, it's Your children who are now rising against us, we could wipe them out but I don't think its proper that we should have to fight such a terrible war with Your offspring, so will you please deal with this situation in the way that you see fit." : -Foradan Yes, that is how I see it too.
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