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  Posted by Michael Martinez on May 16, 2000 at 15:26:25
In Reply to: Re: Second Age kingdoms...reading posted by Tar-Elenion on May 16, 2000 at 00:32:34:



: : We know of three Sindarin-related realms in the Second Age : : and two of them have "cloudy" origins. Oropher's personality : : seems to have undergone some changes. Edhellond's history is : : simply unclear. Lothlorien seems to be the best documented : : realm, though the names of its kings (and their genealogy) is : : the most screwed up.

: : Let us suppose the following happened:

: : Oropher, Amdir, Celeborn travelled east and settled in the : : Vales of Anduin. Another group of Sindar travelled south and : : settled at Edhellond. In all four places the Sindar joined : : with Nandor or Nandor/Avari. Dorwinion I would guess was : : already established.

: The only problem I see with this is that it is intimated that : Oropher did not 'get along' with Celeborn (or I am I : misremembering and it was Galadriel?). THough we dont know when : their troubles started.

I didn't mean to imply that Celeborn got together a few trusty lads and went out kingdom hunting with his buddies. I was just lumping them together for brevity's sake.

But we have two conflicting accounts of why Oropher moved north from Amon Lanc. One account holds that he was bothered by the Dwarves, and the other holds that he didn't like Galadriel's incursions into Lorien.

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