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The White CouncilRe: The PalantirTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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The White CouncilRe: The PalantirTolkien and Inklings Discussion |
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Posted by Maedhros on May 17, 2000 at 07:07:52 In Reply to: Re: The Palantir posted by Gandalf on May 14, 2000 at 20:53:03:
: : : : Thorin : : : I dunno if defeat is the right word.... : : : I mean, it's not like it was a fair battle of wills. And he didn't really beat Sauron, he just didn't lose. : : : ;) : : : Gandalf : : Argaron "wrested" it from his grasp. That would seem to indicate he had "won" the battle of wills. He was able to use The Palantir : : to see what he wanted to see not what Sauron wwanted him to see. Also he was able to conceal his identity(Argaron the ranger) and his position which Denethor wasn't able to do. IMO of course. : : -Thentaran : Aragorn claimed the palantir, and revealed himself to Sauron as the heir of the line of kings. The fact that he was so far away, and that he had the advantage of owning the palantir would have given him a huge advantage. This wasn't exactly a good example to match Aragorn and Sauron's wills. Even Gandalf had trouble merely distracting Sauron when Frodo was upon Amon Hen. My point was really that Aragorn didn't so much defeat Sauron, as cheat. =) : This example isn't an indication that Aragorn can "defeat the greatest of Maia in a combat of wills", but that he was the rightful owner of the Palantir. : Gandalf Aragorn's will, though it was strong, could never match the will of Sauron. I agree that he 'cheated', but we have to, at least give him credit that he faced Sauron in will. I would give most of the credit though to Gandalf. Maedhros
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