The White Council

Re: OT: Imperial Storm Troopers (was Re: The REAL Issue About PODS)

Tolkien and Inklings Discussion

: : : And, yes, you COULD take a rowboat up to a nuclear aircraft : : : carrier...and get swamped. It's more like taking a speeder : : : boat up next to a carrier (during a major battle where the : : : carrier's defenses are being deployed against other forces) : : : and delivering a small tactical nuclear charge, which should : : : take it out without having to go through all the BS of : : : getting the reactor to blow up.

: : Having served aboard the U.S.S Constellation, the U.S.S. : : Ranger and the U.S.S. Saratoga, I would suggest that it ain't : : all that easy to get near an aircraft carrier - even when it's : : major defenses are being otherwise deployed. During Desert : : Storm (I was on the "Sara" in the Red Sea) several Iraqis in a : : rubber boat found out late one night that not all eyes or : : defenses were being "used against other forces".

: I don't know the details of what happened in the Persian Gulf war, but I'm pretty sure that no Iraqi cruisers appeared out of nowhere to take on the Allied fleet and otherwise distract the aircraft carriers and their escort ships.

: Nor, I am sure, would the United States arrogantly send its escort ships away from the carriers.

: The analogy or what-if scenario really requires a great deal of suspension of disbelief to compare what happened in Star Wars with what happens in real life.

: : The kind of close encounter that is being suggested (along : : with underwater attacks by divers) has already been : : considered. Some of the defenses are classified, but I can : : assure you that carriers may appear big and lumbering : : behemoths, but they're well defended.

: As the Death Stars were not. Remember, Darth Vader only took two other Tie fighters up with him in the Battle of Yavin, and he wouldn't let the other two pilots shoot anyone. Nonetheless, my point was that a small vehicle could be used to deliver a decisive charge to an aircraft carrier.

: I suppose a jet could take a lesson from "Independence Day" and ram the carrier with a live warhead (but, again, this assumes that the carrier's defenses are already engaged with other attacks, as the Death Stars' Tie Fighters and other defenses were being drawn away from the craft which delivered the precision shots to the power system).

: And I would guess the jet would have to come in low over the water to get as good a chance at delivering the device as possible. And that's not a scenario I would want to see enacted in real life, I assure you. But the odds are that some day, something will come along which will render our carriers as ineffective as the Death Stars. Mankind finds a way to become more and more destructive every generation.

I was joking when I asked wether the Uruk hai would resemble stormtroopers, but who cares...

.. I might also point out that HMS sheffield was taken out by a single Exocet missile ( Which didīnt even explode! )during the Falklands war. And although there is a significant differnce between an english frigate and an american carrier, my point is that, even though anti ship exocets had been anticipated, the defences failed to save the ship.

Jan.