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  Mark > May 11th, 2003, 08:20 PM

  Site Seen as Possible Home of Pocahontas
  By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
  
  
  n American folk history, the Indian princess Pocahontas befriended English settlers and saved Captain John Smith from certain death at the hands of his Algonquin captors. It happened near the Jamestown colony in Virginia, within a year of its founding in 1607. Or it may be only a story.
  
  But Pocahontas really was a princess, daughter of the powerful Powhatan, whose chiefdom encompassed much of coastal Virginia. She got along so well with the English that she eventually married one of them, John Rolfe, and was received at the court of James I.
  
  Now Virginia archaeologists think they have found the site of the large village, Werowocomoco, where Pocahontas and Powhatan lived in the early 17th century. As the seat of the paramount chief of the region, it was the most prominent village in coastal Virginia. Scholars hope the remains will provide clues to understanding one of the most advanced chiefdoms in eastern North America.
  
  The archaeologists announced at a news conference in Gloucester, Va., yesterday that they had uncovered a significant distribution of Indian pottery and projectile points, along with English glass beads and metal objects, on a farm on the banks of the York River, near Chesapeake Bay. It is about 12 miles from Jamestown, the first permanent English settlement in North America
  
  Read it at
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/07/national/07INDI.html

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  Mark > May 11th, 2003, 08:22 PM

  Pocahontas' father's village 'unearthed'
  
  
  Archaeologists were alerted to the site by a local resident
  Archaeologists say they have discovered the location of the village of the powerful American Indian chief Powhatan, father of Pocahontas, in Virginia.
  
  They say thousands of Indian and European artefacts, along with historical descriptions, suggest the farm was the site of Werowocomoco, the central village of Powhatan's 17th Century rule over 15,000 people from the tribes of coastal Virginia.
  
  Archaeologists were alerted to the site by local resident Lynn Ripley, who found some artefacts on her farm in Gloucester County.
  
  The Ripleys met two local archaeologists, David Brown and Thane Harpole, who were working on an unrelated project, and Bob Ripley mentioned his wife's collection.
  
  "We were blown away," Mr Brown said. "We thought, 'This has got to be the place.'"
  
  
  Rest at
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3009217.stm

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  Ann Kalagon > June 6th, 2003, 08:54 PM

  John Smith was known for having made up several such stories, about different Native women.
  
  Pocahantas hated him so much that upon seeing him in England, she turned her back on him publicly and refused to speak for a few days.
  
  The descendants of the Powhatans had a website up a few years ago in answer to the Disney movie. I wish I had saved that URL to post for you here!
  
  It could very well be the site, but the story told by John Smith was just not true according to the community. Not that women didn't have the power to have done such a thing, but that it just didn't happen that way. And there were NO princesses then, nor now, in the Native American communities. There were Clan Mothers, the eldest women of each of the extended families, who had great clout. But no royalty, such as that term implies.

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  Akasha > June 7th, 2003, 11:57 PM

  Interesting article and thanks for posting the links to it.

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  Mark > June 15th, 2003, 05:03 AM

  Luck, artifacts lead to lost village of Powhatan
  BY PATRICIA MEISOL
  The Baltimore Sun
  GLOUCESTER, VA.--Lynn Ripley is on a beaten path near the York River explaining why she no longer searches for artifacts when something catches her eye.
  
  "I spoke too soon," she says as she bends down to retrieve a fingernail-size piece of creamware. Holding it to the light, she guesses it's 18th century, maybe 1760s. "But don't quote me," she says. "I'm a novice."
  
  
  DOUG KAPUSTIN/AP
  An intricately detailed shard from a vessel is one of Ripley's more interesting finds.
  
  Much of what Ripley has found on her 300-acre property along the river in Virginia has come through luck, she says: Being in the right place when the sun hits, sometimes after a rain, when the dirt has been washed away. Long ago, as a mother of three boys stepping over mislaid toys, she began keeping an eye to the ground.
  
  This was one way Ripley helped discover that her property is probably the site of the lost 17th century village of Indian chief Powhatan and his famous daughter, Pocahontas.
  
  Along the bluffs on a plateau high above the York River, where Ripley can look down to the shoreline of Purtan Bay where her husband, Bob, installed 500-pound rocks to save the marshes, the view is breathtaking.
  
  "You can see why somebody important would want to live here," Ripley says.
  
  The clues were there all along. Since the 1800s, with the discovery of a map drawn by Jamestown colonist Capt. John Smith, the village of the great Algonquian chief Powhatan was known to be on Purtan Bay, somewhere between two creeks.
  
  Ripley's land is between two creeks on the bay, too.
  
  That it might be the lost village of Werowocomoco was mentioned in the literature provided by a real estate agent when Ripley and her husband bought the land in 1996. But other property owners on the bay claimed that, too, and the possible historic value was not the reason they were drawn to it.
  
  Rest at
  
  http://www.charleston.net/stories/061403...poca.shtml

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  Radrook > June 22nd, 2003, 05:40 AM

  The Disney film misrepresented Pocahontas both in age and appearance.
  She was only ten when she saved Smith from being executed.
  So there was no romance involved.
  
  She was also of very light complexion and not oriental of features..
  Not at all as Disney represented her.
  
  The Real Pocahontas - ... However, the rest of the movie is pure fiction: The physical appearance of Pocahontas and John Smith in the movie are fabricated to please modern tastes. ...
  http://www.geocities.com/matoaka1595/poca_main.html

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  Akasha > June 26th, 2003, 11:54 AM

  I liked how they portrayed Pocahontas as older than her real age in the Disney movie. I don't think I would have wanted to see her at her real age with a much older man. That would just be a bit too much for me (although in sketches they did have a 12 year girl but went with a much older version).
  
  And oriental? I never saw her as such unless it was to show a connection to the Asian origins and the are some Native American tribes that do share some features that could show a connection.
  
  If anything, Disney's Pocahontas probably encouraged kids to look up the historic figure and from there figured things out. I'm just glad Disney actually did a movie with the lead being a Native American.

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  Radrook > June 30th, 2003, 07:06 PM

  I did not mean to say that the film had no entertainment value.
  Neither did I intend to say that the film should be disliked in any way because of the way it was made. I only meant to give a statement concerning the historical accuracy.
  
  In fact, I enjoyed the film immensely.
  
  BTW
  Portraying Pocahantas as a twelve-year-old in a romantic relationship with Smith would have been tantamount to encouraging pedophilia or child abuse--something I am strongly against.
  
  
  Nevertheless, I am strongly against misrepresentation of ethnic groups which encourage stereotyping or misperceptions. The vast majority of native Americans don't have that dark brown skin color. So why portray them that way?

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  Mark > January 19th, 2004, 01:04 PM

  Book Review | Chatty, academic tones clash in tale of Pocahontas and Smith
  
  Love and Hate in Jamestown
  John Smith, Pocahontas, and the Heart
  of a New Nation
  By David A. Price
  
  Knopf. 236 pp. $25.95
  
  Reviewed by John J. Seydow
  
  There is nothing to hate about David Price's Love and Hate in Jamestown: John Smith, Pocahontas, and the Heart of a New Nation, a scrupulously researched retelling of what the keywords in his title and subtitle imply.
  
  The intersection of courageous John Smith and heroic Pocahontas is vintage American myth, and Price captures their relationship in a relatively unromanticized and objective manner. Similarly, he exposes the flaws of those feckless "gentlemen" who established at Jamestown in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in the New World.
  
  However, only another historophile would love this book. Despite the dust-jacket assertion that the book is "gripping" (the kind of hyperbole that Price never commits), the narrative is terribly bogged down by endless citations from primary documents - the sort of scholarship that college history teachers and doctoral dissertation directors delight in.
  
  Ironically, Price's style slips at times into distracting contemporary colloquialisms ("The colonists looked at the oysters and said to themselves, Why thanks, don't mind if we do"; "The English cocked their guns and said, in effect, no thanks"; "Smith seems to have said, fine, show me the charter"). It is as if Price were decorating a 17th-century farmhouse with furnishings from Ikea, or wanted to inform his audience that he is not one of those stuffy Cambridge dons (though he studied under more than a few) but a journalist (at one time a reporter for Investor's Business Daily).
  
  Rest at
  
  http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/enter...713034.htm

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  Adamanta > January 28th, 2004, 03:02 AM

  Last year when we had an assignment to do on people i did my work but then helped another group and they were doing Pocohantas, well from what i read she saved John when she was 14 and they fell in love but he deceived her and married other women. When each died he would marry another untill he was in a bine again and Pocohantas was there to help out. The book also said that her fathers tribe was killed by Johns little tribe. John eventually died and left Pocohantas just like he did the first time. That is all i rememebr hey i am a hopeless romantic so go easy on what i remember

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  Ann Kalagon > February 9th, 2004, 10:30 PM

  Quote:Originally posted by Ann Kalagon
  John Smith was known for having made up several such stories about different Native women. He was a LIAR. Pocahantas hated him so much that upon seeing him in England, she turned her back on him publicly and refused to speak for a few days.
  
  The descendants of the Powhatans had a website up a few years ago in answer to the Disney movie. Here is the website for you all below.
  
  Again, the story told by John Smith was just not true. Not that women didn't have the power to have done such a thing, but that it just didn't happen that way. And there were NO princesses then, nor now, in the Native American communities. There were Clan Mothers, the eldest women of each of the extended families, who had great clout. But no royalty, such as that term implies.

  
  
  http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html

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  Eiley > February 15th, 2004, 12:26 PM

  Quote:Originally posted by Ann Kalagon
  http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html

  
  
  Wow! I've never heard that version of the story. It doesn't surprise me, but I found it interesting to read.

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  ZachWZ > March 29th, 2004, 02:07 AM

  John Smith is considered by his supporters of being a tall tales storyteller. Meaning anything out of his mouth is an exderation at least.
  
  other tidbits about Pochantas:
  
  She was later baptized a christian.
  She took the name Rebecca.
  Singer Wayne Newton is a direct ansecstor.
  
  As for the disney movie. The songs were great, the animals came off pretty well, that was pretty much it. The diologue wasothing but politally correct garbage. The plot was simple even by Disney standards. Then they are the 101 historical mistakes.
  
  As for the link. it was heaenly biased with no historical citations. Any middle school teacher would give it an F.
  
  ZachWZ

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  masterblaster > April 3rd, 2004, 11:00 AM

  If I remember rightly, her descendants are still alive. If memory serves, when her father died, the boy was left a large amount of land that remained in the family for generations.
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