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  simonponting67 > February 3rd, 2024, 08:28 AM

  hi all
  wild thoughts: can ai driven things or lets say everyone goto 'CHAT GPT' be a good script writer as good as Trumbo or James Cameron or anyone.  

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Irene > February 3rd, 2024, 10:39 AM

  NO.
  
  Too many inaccuracies. No good fact checking. Story many not flow well, or at all.
  
  Artificial Intelligence is just that..... Artificial. It has existed in machines for years.
  [i.e. my wall thermometer which is supposed to learn my low temp/high temp times of day - and just turned itself off again.... drat!]
  
  Use of AI should be limited to finishing a film for actors who have died halfway through a movie. [Bela Lugosi, Carrie Fisher.].
  
  And never purchase that book of mushroom identification, for cooking, written by a Chat-Bot, it might be the last thing you do.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Michael > February 3rd, 2024, 12:53 PM

  I've actually asked ChatGPT to write some fan fiction scripts for me. They're short and true to form. I've toyed with the idea of having it write individual scenes based on my prompts and then stitching together a full script.
  
  For Stargate SG-1, it did a pretty good job of mimicking the characters from the show. I don't know where it got the source material to do that. There must be a script archive online I haven't stumbled across.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  RobRoy > February 5th, 2024, 08:48 PM

  Currently: No. Absolutely not. If you're considering Dalton Trumbo or James Cameron or [insert name here] to be the pinnacle of script-writing, then AI cannot currently achieve what they achieve, and you will know it's not achieving that.
  
  In the future: Possibly.
  
  Right now, there is very little I in AI. That is, the computer system is attempting to place the next most logical word in a series. When you're asking it for something generally factual, it does just fine. Sometimes the next most logical word doesn't actually exist, because there is a gap in the AIs database, which is what results in AI hallucinations and errors. It will fill that gap, based on other logical solutions, but that's not reality.
  
  There are additional problems of voice and creativity. Both of those things come from years of living, experiencing, and attempting to communicate that to others. If you feed the AI enough base material in the same voice and from the same creative mind, it will start to spit back out similar works. The more advanced the system, the closer it can get to mimicking another voice and seeming creative.
  
  I use AI right now for my job, which is marketing/writing. It does a fantastic job when I'm working on resumes, case studies, and easier technical explanations. When I feed it my companies boilerplate, it can generally improve on that for readability and flow. This saves me minutes and eventually hours of effort that I otherwise would have to put into reading, drafting, redrafting and getting edits and approvals.
  
  Eventually, I can see a writer feeding an advanced AI their body of work, and then working with that AI to generate creative outputs that could potentially rival better-than-average scripts or novels. The writer will still need to do a great deal of work, but given what I'm seeing, it's not that far off.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  simonponting67 > February 6th, 2024, 09:17 AM

  (February 3rd, 2024, 12:53 PM)Michael Wrote: I've actually asked ChatGPT to write some fan fiction scripts for me. They're short and true to form. I've toyed with the idea of having it write individual scenes based on my prompts and then stitching together a full script.
  
  For Stargate SG-1, it did a pretty good job of mimicking the characters from the show. I don't know where it got the source material to do that. There must be a script archive online I haven't stumbled across.

  
  somewhat they might be near to okay but can't be accurate and perfect.
  

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  (February 5th, 2024, 08:48 PM)RobRoy Wrote: Currently: No.  Absolutely not.  If you're considering Dalton Trumbo or James Cameron or [insert name here] to be the pinnacle of script-writing, then AI cannot currently achieve what they achieve, and you will know it's not achieving that.
  
  In the future: Possibly.
  
  Right now, there is very little I in AI.  That is, the computer system is attempting to place the next most logical word in a series.  When you're asking it for something generally factual, it does just fine.  Sometimes the next most logical word doesn't actually exist, because there is a gap in the AIs database, which is what results in AI hallucinations and errors.  It will fill that gap, based on other logical solutions, but that's not reality.
  
  There are additional problems of voice and creativity.  Both of those things come from years of living, experiencing, and attempting to communicate that to others.  If you feed the AI enough base material in the same voice and from the same creative mind, it will start to spit back out similar works.  The more advanced the system, the closer it can get to mimicking another voice and seeming creative.
  
  I use AI right now for my job, which is marketing/writing.  It does a fantastic job when I'm working on resumes, case studies, and easier technical explanations. When I feed it my companies boilerplate, it can generally improve on that for readability and flow.  This saves me minutes and eventually hours of effort that I otherwise would have to put into reading, drafting, redrafting and getting edits and approvals.
  
  Eventually, I can see a writer feeding an advanced AI their body of work, and then working with that AI to generate creative outputs that could potentially rival better-than-average scripts or novels.  The writer will still need to do a great deal of work, but given what I'm seeing, it's not that far off.

  
  brutally honest!
  in the future it might be possible but again as you mentioned earlier and highlighted the issued like voice and creativity it seem like AI is far far away from this to happen, and hence he smarter and intellect the system would be the more accurate mimicry it would do.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Michael > February 12th, 2024, 03:59 AM

  I think there is a growing consensus around the use of AI tools to create outlines and help clean up copy, but not to use them to create high-value content.
  
  THAT said, I read a legal paper this weekend that argues there probably isn't much protection for creators against AI systems being trained on their works.
  
  So we may be in for a long period of cat-and-mouse with AI-generated content.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  RobRoy > February 14th, 2024, 12:01 PM

  (February 12th, 2024, 03:59 AM)Michael Wrote: I think there is a growing consensus around the use of AI tools to create outlines and help clean up copy, but not to use them to create high-value content.
  
  THAT said, I read a legal paper this weekend that argues there probably isn't much protection for creators against AI systems being trained on their works.
  
  So we may be in for a long period of cat-and-mouse with AI-generated content.

  
  There are court cases right now trying to answer this question.  I feel like there's so much available content that there's no reason to bring in copyrighted works to train AI.  Of course, I'm not an AI trainer, so I have no understanding of the depth of content required.
  
  Either way, AI text and image generators are here to stay.  The camel's nose, head, neck and most of the body are already in the tent.  The questions to be resolved are those around who can copyright, own, and profit from the content that an AI-jockey creates.  I suspect that will be settled sooner rather than later, as large corporations have a lot riding on these systems.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  badlands > February 25th, 2024, 10:39 PM

  No, since you need creative to help movies.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Michael > February 26th, 2024, 12:50 AM

  badlands, let me introduce you to Sora.
  
  https://openai.com/sora
  
  Not yet available to the public, this new video-generating AI produces content so realistic that Tyler Perry put an $800 million studio expanson on hold.
  
  AI could be a real threat to the film and television industries.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  RobRoy > February 26th, 2024, 12:52 PM

  (February 26th, 2024, 12:50 AM)Michael Wrote: badlands, let me introduce you to Sora.
  
  https://openai.com/sora
  
  Not yet available to the public, this new video-generating AI produces content so realistic that Tyler Perry put an $800 million studio expanson on hold.
  
  AI could be a real threat to the film and television industries.

  
  Correct.  The advances are impressive.  Short video is now able to be generated.  Not sure how this will work for longer forms, but it's clear people think this is a thing and are investing heavily into the expansion.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Michael > February 29th, 2024, 01:36 AM

  I read a new paper a couple of days ago that argues AI hallucination cannot be prevented. So if those researchers are correct, all of this AI-generated content is probably going to be short-lived. The tools will probably have to be used in limited ways to enhance human creativity rather than replace it.
  
  And I saw another article where someone did an informal study of job listings. He concluded that growing adoption of AI is correlated (not necessarily causing) new job growth in some existing creative fields. I hope he's correct.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  RobRoy > February 29th, 2024, 02:59 PM

  (February 29th, 2024, 01:36 AM)Michael Wrote: I read a new paper a couple of days ago that argues AI hallucination cannot be prevented. So if those researchers are correct, all of this AI-generated content is probably going to be short-lived. The tools will probably have to be used in limited ways to enhance human creativity rather than replace it.

  
  I was talking about this with my team the other day, as I walked them through the use and use cases for AI in our company.  I use it on a daily basis, but I don't ever trust it, and I strongly encouraged them not to either.  It's great for acting as a springboard, providing a starting point for some of the text that we need to address concepts and concerns, but it absolutely still requires a human to read through and revise.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  simonponting67 > March 5th, 2024, 10:32 AM

  (February 3rd, 2024, 08:28 AM)simonponting67 Wrote: hi all
  wild thoughts: can ai driven things or lets say everyone goto 'CHAT GPT' be a good script writer as good as Trumbo or James Cameron or anyone.  

  
  

  (February 6th, 2024, 09:17 AM)simonponting67 Wrote:

  (February 3rd, 2024, 12:53 PM)Michael Wrote: I've actually asked ChatGPT to write some fan fiction scripts for me. They're short and true to form. I've toyed with the idea of having it write individual scenes based on my prompts and then stitching together a full script.
  
  For Stargate SG-1, it did a pretty good job of mimicking the characters from the show. I don't know where it got the source material to do that. There must be a script archive online I haven't stumbled across.

  
  somewhat they might be near to okay but can't be accurate and perfect.
  

  ---

  (February 5th, 2024, 08:48 PM)RobRoy Wrote: Currently: No.  Absolutely not.  If you're considering Dalton Trumbo or James Cameron or [insert name here] to be the pinnacle of script-writing, then AI cannot currently achieve what they achieve, and you will know it's not achieving that.
  
  In the future: Possibly.
  
  Right now, there is very little I in AI.  That is, the computer system is attempting to place the next most logical word in a series.  When you're asking it for something generally factual, it does just fine.  Sometimes the next most logical word doesn't actually exist, because there is a gap in the AIs database, which is what results in AI hallucinations and errors.  It will fill that gap, based on other logical solutions, but that's not reality.
  
  There are additional problems of voice and creativity.  Both of those things come from years of living, experiencing, and attempting to communicate that to others.  If you feed the AI enough base material in the same voice and from the same creative mind, it will start to spit back out similar works.  The more advanced the system, the closer it can get to mimicking another voice and seeming creative.
  
  I use AI right now for my job, which is marketing/writing.  It does a fantastic job when I'm working on resumes, case studies, and easier technical explanations. When I feed it my companies boilerplate, it can generally improve on that for readability and flow.  This saves me minutes and eventually hours of effort that I otherwise would have to put into reading, drafting, redrafting and getting edits and approvals.
  
  Eventually, I can see a writer feeding an advanced AI their body of work, and then working with that AI to generate creative outputs that could potentially rival better-than-average scripts or novels.  The writer will still need to do a great deal of work, but given what I'm seeing, it's not that far off.

  
  brutally honest!
  in the future it might be possible but again as you mentioned earlier and highlighted the issued like voice and creativity it seem like AI is far far away from this to happen, and hence he smarter and intellect the system would be the more accurate mimicry it would do.

  
  great and glad to hear from intellectuals out there.!

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Boomstick > April 7th, 2024, 12:54 PM

  I have no idea what the future will bring and how far these systems will be able to go. As I understand it now, it's mostly a websearch and formatting system. It can search, organize, and maybe mimic, but that's about it. Shut off the router, and what do you have? Nothing.
  
  Having said that, I suspect that it could crank out scripts for straightforward, formulaic things like Power Rangers episodes without much difference than the real writers produce. It could probably produce better comic books than 95% of what's been produced by Marvel and DC in the past 15 years. Anything else, I would have to see. To say nothing of the fact that I don't see it cranking out something like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (the book), or any other highly-original voices.
  
  I think I mentioned before, but I suspect a reaction by consumers is also going to play into this. Similar to how a "Made in USA" sticker is appealing to some people, a "written and produced by real people!" notice may be a selling point on entertainment in the near future.
  
  It does present some interesting opportunities, although it remains to be seen if the results would be cool, or just creepy. The latest Beatles release used some sort of "machine learning" to replicate John Lennon's singing voice, at least to some extent. How far this technology can actually go, I don't know. But I can't help imagining photo realistic CGI movies starring bygone actors. Like a swashbuckler starring Errol Flynn and Yvonne DeCarlo in their prime. Or another Sam Spade or Phillip Marlowe movie starring Bogart.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  RobRoy > April 9th, 2024, 03:35 PM

  (April 7th, 2024, 12:54 PM)Boomstick Wrote: I think I mentioned before, but I suspect a reaction by consumers is also going to play into this. Similar to how a "Made in USA" sticker is appealing to some people, a "written and produced by real people!" notice may be a selling point on entertainment in the near future.

  
  Agreed.  There are a lot of artists very upset/nervous about AI, especially AI art generators.  These are being used by independent and self-published book authors to create cover art on the cheap.  The legality is somewhat sketchy, as is the outcome.  You might get close to your vision, but chances are you won't get everything you want.  
  
  The same is not true of working with an actual book artist, who can make corrections and adjustments as needed.  I would still prefer to get my book covers from an actual human.
  
  

  Quote:It does present some interesting opportunities, although it remains to be seen if the results would be cool, or just creepy. The latest Beatles release used some sort of "machine learning" to replicate John Lennon's singing voice, at least to some extent. How far this technology can actually go, I don't know. But I can't help imagining photo realistic CGI movies starring bygone actors. Like a swashbuckler starring Errol Flynn and Yvonne DeCarlo in their prime. 

  
  This part could be potentially very cool.  Of course, like all technological advances, it will depend on how it's being used.  But the opportunities are certainly there.
  
  

  Quote:Or another Sam Spade or Phillip Marlowe movie starring Bogart.

  
  Speaking of, there's a new Sam Spade series, Monsieur Spade that stars Clive Owen in the titular role.  It picks up a year or so after the events of The Maltese Falcon. I watched the first episode on Amazon Prime before I realized it was only a preview and the others required an additional subscription.  I did enjoy it.  Owen does a great job embodying the noir detective.  He's not Bogart, that's certain, but it was a worthwhile effort.  I'd like to see the rest, but I can't justify adding one more subscription to my list.

• RE: can ai be a good script writer

  Michael > April 15th, 2024, 01:33 AM

  It looks like AI-generated content will have to be openly disclaimed (soon). At least the major social media platforms are beginning to require it (YouTube and Meta's platforms for sure).
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