Alvin Eriol > December 25th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Quote:It is the magician’s bargain: give up our soul, get power in return. But once our souls, that is, ourselves, have been given up, the power thus conferred will not belong to us. We shall in fact be the slaves and puppets of that to which we have given our souls.
Rhadamanthus > December 29th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Valandil > December 30th, 2007, 08:27 AM
Alvin Eriol > January 9th, 2008, 10:40 PM
Mordomin > January 18th, 2008, 04:24 AM
Mordomin > January 18th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Alvin Eriol > January 19th, 2008, 11:00 AM
Mordomin Wrote:I thought myself bold to create a character that walked through Middle-earth without really touching it. But I am surpassed by your taking up the tale of an actual Tolkien character and giving to him voice.
Quote:Nonetheless, unless your story soon develops a point that the casual reader of Tolkien is not already aware of, you are about to put your audience to sleep.
Quote:...I missed your casual reference to an embassy to the Dwarves of Moria regarding the dangers of the Ring that they had (allegedly) received from Celebrimbor.
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The giving of a Ring of Power to a Dwarf by anyone other than Sauron, stated as fact?
Quote:Indeed, your story is filled with assertions, such as Elrond having left his Ring in the keeping of another when he travelled outside of Imladris on an errand for Gil-galad, that raise eyebrows.
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Elrond possessing a Ring prior to receiving Vilya from Gil-galad? The classic dispersion I thought was Galadriel, Cirdan, and Gil-galad.
Quote:At this time the first Council was held, and it was there determined that an Elvish stronghold in the east of Eriador should be maintained at Imladris rather than in Eregion. At that time also Gil-galad gave Vilya, the Blue Ring, to Elrond, and appointed him to be his vice-regent in Eriador; but the Red Ring he kept, until he gave it to Cirdan when he set out from Lindon in the days of the Last Alliance.
Quote:Are you having a game with us? Are we meant to be suspicious of the "translator"?
Mordomin > January 23rd, 2008, 04:26 AM
Alvin Eriol Wrote:As to leaving the Ring in Imladris, bear in mind that as of that time Sauron holds the Ruling Ring, therefore Elrond cannot wield Vilya 'openly' (I am unclear to what extent the Elves might wield the Rings at all under those circumstances without being caught by Sauron) It was probably prudent not to carry Vilya into a foriegn country among unknown risks, but to leave it in the relative safety of his stronghold. I should think it more strange Elrond would write of it, but as of the time he writes the memoir, Vilya has been shorn of power and little if any cause remains to keep it secret.Prudence did not instruct Ringwearers how to dispose of their Rings. You could make a better case by saying that Elrond did not wish to wear his Ring before the Numenorian King, whose lust for eternal life had become clear to the Elves by this time. But since we are told that Three are only visible to other wearers of the Three (or the One), Elrond would not have been concerned on that detail.
Alvin Eriol > January 24th, 2008, 10:21 AM
Mordomin > January 24th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Alvin Eriol Wrote:For reasons I explained in the other thread you so thoughtfully opened to discuss this issue (in so doing saving me the trouble)Why should I have all the fun?:party:
Alvin Eriol Wrote:Elrond would not have had Vilya at that time (just prior to Sauron's attack on Eregion in SA 1695, apparently)I am convinced of this.
Alvin Eriol Wrote:& would not have worn it if he did, so the premise, though intriguing, is moot.Hold it right there. You say that Elrond, had he been the owner of Vilya at the time of your story, would not have worn the Ring on his embassy to Durin. Why?
Alvin Eriol Wrote:As to entering Moria, IIRC it was stated that while the Dwarves dwelt in Moria, the West Gate was guarded by warders who could open it when signalled, or even normally left open and guarded. IIRC this was in "The Hunt for the Ring" in UT.Gandalf mentions door wardens during "The Ring Goes South", too. I thought that your story took place after the West Gate was shut. You have made it clear that Elrond's embassy took place after Celebrimbor gave the Ring to Durin but before the One Ring was forged.
Alvin Eriol Wrote:I will consider that a compliment, from a pro. Thank you.Just because you praise me as a "pro", it does not, IMO, entitle me to critique your 'execution'. Besides, you are in mid-story, if I have read correctly. Let the full tale be told.
(added: ) even if it's the ambitious scope & audacity you praise, rather than the quality of the execution!
Alvin Eriol > February 9th, 2008, 02:30 PM
Alvin Eriol > February 10th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Mordomin > February 14th, 2008, 01:56 AM
Alvin Eriol > February 14th, 2008, 01:16 PM
Mordomin Wrote:I like the idea of "gangs of Dwarves". But is there any reason to suppose that any of the Dwarven families went so far south as Umbar?
Mordy Wrote:Why would Elrond and Glorfindel have rode to the coast at Lindon and then sailed down the coast to Umbar? The first part they would have done at the bidding of Gil-galad (which begs the question). But why the second leg? Why send Elves to sound out trouble in a city that is of the making and habitation of Men? Perhaps I am anticipating the story too muchl
Mordomin > February 15th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Alvin Eriol > February 17th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Mordomin > February 23rd, 2008, 09:59 AM
Mordomin > April 12th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Alvin Eriol > April 20th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Mordomin > May 3rd, 2008, 06:35 AM