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  Afiriel > March 14th, 2009, 06:58 PM

  First off, things that confused or dissatisfied me last week: Adama's attitude (Saul is a much more reliable drinker); Adama making a habit of removing his rank; Adama whitewashing his beliefs; the intimation of Athena jumping off the cliff once again; Caprica Six not believing that Gaius had changed; Sam as partially-realized Hybrid; just a totally unnecessary bad-Baltar moment, abusing Kara's confidence (I was glad she slapped him).
  
  This last I just don't understand. If we need to prove Kara died, it doesn't make sense to, well, abuse Baltar's character to do so. He is just as necessary. We are supposed to forget, once again, nuke ad nauseum?
  
  Good stuff from last week. Hera. Boomer. Everything. Taking Hera to her house. Understanding what Hera was thinking and needing without words, as when she was hungry, when it was okay to eat. Boomer growing past the hauntings. I also appreciate the re-imagined Ellen and Saul. ("You're a pip.")
  
  (Will the viper ejectors be the last items auctioned off? )
  
  This week. I didn't realize Mr. Moore was doing the last three hours. I am entirely grateful for the back-stories. Could watch hours of it.
  
  A bit of an answer about Caprica. I never like thinking she is entirely calculating; it doesn't work. Bad enough confusing her with Head-Six, of which there may be more than one, anyway. I don't care if this was retcon back story, she is at least whole. Is this what Cylon do, just to make contact? I don't believe that. I choose to believe Caprica cared. (And the father of Gaius is Julius, a farmer. )
  
  It was a joy to see Laura in the midst of her family. Then, alone, in one second. Juxtaposed to Baltar's back story. But who killed them? No matter. I appreciated seeing the real Laura, the love and laughter, the pain that caused her to close off those she might love (including Billy), that she was always a gentle rebel.
  
  Bodie and Eddie, face-to-face. Have we seen that before?
  
  Regardless, a call to family is what finally woke Adama from this crazy trance, allowing him as well as Kara the necessary recognition and affirmation. "You are my daughter." All the musical themes woven in throughout the episode. Adama and family. Kara's theme, when Adama called her daughter, brought me to tears, finally.
  
  Lee and Baltar. See, this was exactly right between these characters, for me. Neither have all the data to make the call. Lee hasn't, surely, and Gaius is inside-out from manipulation by multiple sources, with the political agenda of his own crew, supported by one of his head-Six's, but not where he wants to go at all, not at all what he learned from Caprica (to the extent we just learned in this episode).
  
  Baltar was honest.
  
  Oh well. Is there a difference between pigeons and doves, because that's a pigeon, Lee. Lee's theme is always incomplete, waiting to move to the Lee/Kara theme. (No, I didn't miss the Zak back-story.) And I really do like Lee in this episode.
  
  Sam. Finally. Sam and perfection. Creation of perfection. Shapes like dreams, words like music. "Find a perfect world for the end of Kara Thrace." From the hybrid who echoed a previous Hybrid's assessment. And I did appreciate Adama to Kara: "You ask him."
  
  Adama and Kara and the line, like the salt line between Pegasus and Galactica crew, but different, this time. Pretty literal translation of what it's all about: decisions. All personal.
  
  Baltar will cross to starboard.
  
  I have to edit to add one thing. The problem I have had with the Athena story is Sharon's call sign being identified with the Pythian character, described as throwing herself from the rocks in desparation after the tribes left. Sharon could make any number of choices, and I would live with them, as long as they were not from despair.

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  TikaWhelan > March 14th, 2009, 07:28 PM

  I really did enjoy all the backstories but I was furious by the time it was over. (I'm over it now, by the way. :laugh I was just so disappointed that we didn't get any answers. I was screaming at the tv "Aren't we going to learn ANYTHING?" My husband thinks I'm nuts. The preview for next week says we will finally know the truth. I hope so, I can't take much more.
  
  I also think Baltar will cross the line. Head six told him he has to write the final chapter (or something to that effect). Plus, he really wants to do one totally selfless act.
  
  I'm looking forward to next week. It looks like it will be great!!!

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  Afiriel > March 14th, 2009, 08:07 PM

  TikaWhelan Wrote:I also think Baltar will cross the line. Head six told him he has to write the final chapter (or something to that effect). Plus, he really wants to do one totally selfless act.

  But this is just what confuses me about Baltar. Head-Six in the red-strapped dress told him to go with the pols. He finally has a legitimate base. Lee couldn't ignore that. It would mean staying to port.
  
  Caprica did not. Perhaps moving from port to starboard, denying that legitimacy (the only piece of it Baltar has ever had since
  Shelley Godfrey made everyone look twice), would be an act Lee could acknowledge? I dunno. What do you think?
  
  Hour One has been careful of us all. I'm ready for the rest.

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  TimeTravellingBunny > March 14th, 2009, 09:34 PM

  I really enjoyed the Caprica flashbacks... and I'm sure there will be more of them in the second part. So, is the second part going to be a double or a triple episode?

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  Afiriel > March 14th, 2009, 11:01 PM

  Well, down to two hours, next week. I think it starts at 9 eastern. So when they said Mr. Moore was writing the last one, I thought it was the 20 March episode, the finale. I didn't realize it was a long daybreak.
  
  Given my birthday is the 17th, I am sandwiched inbetween with a double present.

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  TikaWhelan > March 15th, 2009, 08:23 AM

  Afiriel Wrote:But this is just what confuses me about Baltar. Head-Six in the red-strapped dress told him to go with the pols. He finally has a legitimate base. Lee couldn't ignore that. It would mean staying to port.
  
  Caprica did not. Perhaps moving from port to starboard, denying that legitimacy (the only piece of it Baltar has ever had since
  Shelley Godfrey made everyone look twice), would be an act Lee could acknowledge? I dunno. What do you think?

  
  I don't know. Baltar asked for a seat in government for his group but not necessarily for himself. His volunteering for the mission could cause everyone else to think twice about his motivation and gain a new respect for him. I don't know why but I really think he will go. Of course I could be totally wrong. LOL!
  
  Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! :balloons:

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  Afiriel > March 15th, 2009, 06:57 PM

  TimeTravellingBunny Wrote:I really enjoyed the Caprica flashbacks... and I'm sure there will be more of them in the second part. So, is the second part going to be a double or a triple episode?

  
  Caprica flashbacks. Oh yes. I can't (shouldn't) begin to describe the personal impact of this bit of backstory, with Julius. You think there will be more? Caprica from Gaius to Saul back to Gaius. I would appreciate any scraps. Tricia makes her real in any guise. It was amazing how young she looked in the limo, joyous. Before Downloaded, before those choices with Head-Baltar (which kept Sam alive), before Saul, before losing a child. Before choosing to cross that line.
  
  (I'm not sure what to say about Baltar not remembering her name in the limo. Nice touch? Good grief? I guess she never had one? )
  
  Gaius has to cross how many lines to follow? Ah, just do it.
  
  I thought the final was written by Mr. Moore. Two hours on 20 March, I think. I just didn't realize this last (13 March) was also written by him until I watched the credits.

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  Afiriel > March 15th, 2009, 07:02 PM

  TikaWhelan Wrote:I don't know. Baltar asked for a seat in government for his group but not necessarily for himself. His volunteering for the mission could cause everyone else to think twice about his motivation and gain a new respect for him. I don't know why but I really think he will go. Of course I could be totally wrong. LOL!
  
  Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! :balloons:

  I don't know either, but still, yes. He has to go.
  (And thanks!)

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  TimeTravellingBunny > March 16th, 2009, 05:58 AM

  Afiriel Wrote:Caprica flashbacks. Oh yes. I can't (shouldn't) begin to describe the personal impact of this bit of backstory, with Julius. You think there will be more? Caprica from Gaius to Saul back to Gaius. I would appreciate any scraps. Tricia makes her real in any guise. It was amazing how young she looked in the limo, joyous. Before Downloaded, before those choices with Head-Baltar (which kept Sam alive), before Saul, before losing a child. Before choosing to cross that line.
  
  (I'm not sure what to say about Baltar not remembering her name in the limo. Nice touch? Good grief? I guess she never had one? )
  
  Gaius has to cross how many lines to follow? Ah, just do it.
  
  I thought the final was written by Mr. Moore. Two hours on 20 March, I think. I just didn't realize this last (13 March) was also written by him until I watched the credits.

  I think we'll see at least a flashbacks of some other characters as well ... actually I'm sure, because, of *ahem*... spoiler footage from the wrap party video leaked a few months ago. :bg: UAnless they were cut for time, like so many things...
  
  Ron Moore said in an interview a few months ago that the finale will be three-hour (i.e. the lenth of three regular episodes - but that's counting the two-parter Daybreak as one) but that they were thinking of making it four-hour - (which would have made Daybreak part 2 a triple episode, instead of a double as it will be), but in any case, the DVD version will be longer. I was hoping that the episode will be as long as possible... I am sure that the next week we'll be blown away by many things but also frustrated by unresolved plots and things that were not addressed, and we'll be asking a dozen of questions, "So what happened to...?" And then the questions will only be answered when the DVD comes out. God, I hate that. Why can't I just wait for the DVD? Stupid commercials, eating up TV time.
  
  Caprica obviously had a name, just like every other Cylon undercover agent. But she most likely didn't really care about it to retain it after the mission. This was a way for RDM to answer the question "Why didn't Baltar ever call Six by her undercover name?" that so many people have been asking. RDM and Eick said before that the explanation they like is that Baltar forgot her name. Which really stretches believability somewhat, since they dated for 2 years... Didn't he ever need to introduce her to anyone? Did they ever go to a party together? What if they were walking through the street and met someone Gaius knew? How would he introduce her? "And this is... eeh..."?

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  mrt77 > March 16th, 2009, 07:43 AM

  Why was the Chief (still like to primarily think of him that way) in the brig when talking to Helo? Was is just presumable consequences of helping Boomer escape, or did I miss or forget something else?

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  mrt77 > March 16th, 2009, 07:51 AM

  Big questions we want answered Friday:
  
  Who is Daniel?
  What is Starbuck ver. 2 and will there be any more Leoben moments (he's been MIA along with D'Anna since Earth)?
  How'd her Viper get resurrected too?
  How does Roslin share in the visions with Six, Eight, and Hera?
  Who or what is behind the Head characters?
  
  What am I missing?
  
  Another interesting observation, not really a question, I just thought of- didn't the Cylon civil war basically come down to boys vs. girls (with the expections of Boomer and Leoben)? That's kindof odd, isn't it?

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  TikaWhelan > March 16th, 2009, 08:13 AM

  mrt77 Wrote:Why was the Chief (still like to primarily think of him that way) in the brig when talking to Helo? Was is just presumable consequences of helping Boomer escape, or did I miss or forget something else?

  
  I read somewhere that, due to time restraints, a scene was deleted from the previous week where chief was arrested. I'm looking forward to the dvd with the deleted scenes.

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  Tony Fever > March 16th, 2009, 03:51 PM

  As I mentioned a few weeks ago: I knew it! A Galactica suicide mission. No way the old man would let the ship just rot away. Galactica is going down with a fight!
  
  The red tape along the hangar deck and a sick Laura Roslin struggling to cross the line: similar to the last days of the Alamo where a sick Jim Bowie was carried across 'the line in the sand'.
  
  After all these years following the show, makes me feel like I'm part of the crew. If I was there, I would have crossed the line too.
  
  It's been a great run boys and girls. Let's see what they have done with the last two hours of what was known as a great show....

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  dobber > March 20th, 2009, 04:02 PM

  
  
  It's all been a dream of that lil boy from the mini-series.

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  Afiriel > March 20th, 2009, 08:08 PM

  Back stories. I hope it continues tonight. And that of Gaius.
  
  I wanted to say before this story ends that I short-changed his. In the midst of the initial interlude with that nameless Caprica, he went straight off to care for his Dad, threatening to sue the home caretaker.
  
  Abandonment.
  
  I avoided it, part of my standard routine for compartmentalizing personal responsibilities. This one comes too close to home for me. Still, I am with Gaius, hard as it can be.
  
  It must have always been inside him. How do you trust the one who salvaged your daily routine while ripping out the heart of your personal essence, everything that brought you to be what you are, despite how you try to ignore it yourself?
  
  From the very beginning.
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